She's Scottish, she's an IT manager and she's the best virtual gumshoe in the biz. Oh and she may not be a she. Last week I followed the case of British couple Amy Taylor and Dave Pollard who got divorced because Dave was having a virtual affair in Second Life. The story got a lot of yuks in the national press and became the butt of late night jokes. I didn't get too excited about it until I read this piece in The Guardian which mentions how the suspicious wife finally got proof of her husband's philandering activities. She hired virtual detective Markie Macdonald to uncover the truth. Who is this flame haired Jessica Rabbit-esque spook? The Times explains in a 2005 article:By day “she” is an IT manager of unknown gender somewhere in Scotland. By night she manages and pays an international staff of 12 private eyes who keep her Second Life offices open 24 hours a day. Markie has earned about £50 in real money in the past few months. “It started as word of mouth,” she said. “We have people in love and getting married in SL and getting married is a commitment not to be unfaithful. I could see people who were married in SL paying for dances, sex, etc, and thought ‘I wonder if their partner knows’.” . . .“Honey traps” are the agency’s preferred method: an attractive male or female character flirts with the target and then a sleuth photographs the couple in flagrante or, because this is a very different world, teleports the suspicious spouse right to the scene.
With a little further digging I found out via New World Notes that Markie had come across Dave and Amy before. In fact Amy hired Markie in 2005 to vet Dave and see if he was the sort of person who would flirt with someone else's avatar. He barely passed that honey trap test but Amy was so pleased that she invited Markie to the virtual wedding (alas, she couldn't go). Wagner James Au of NWN has an interview with Markie and pictures (virtual ones) as well as a recounting of the 2005 investigation here. I'm not dissing Markie's detecting skills in the slightest but Dave does not seem to be sharpest pixel on the screen having apparently fallen for the same honey trap on THREE separate occasions. Still, I'll bet Markie has quite a few other interesting stories to tell and if no one's said it to her before, let me be the first: you should write a book.
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(I recycled this post from two years ago and, alas, as yet, Markie hasnt taken my advice)
76 comments:
damn kids with their internet!
This would make for a great novel. Definitely a case of truth being stranger than fiction.
Adrian, as popular as your blog is, I think you would actually have
to go into Second Life to make your proposition, and apparently this journey would be absolutely fraught with temptation. Do you think you are ready for this? And before you start, I think you should realize that the Scotch would also be virtual.
Brian
Yeah I think its interesting that the detective looks more like the femme fatale of a real world novel.
Seanag
Of course if Nick Bostrom's theories are correct all that is happening in Third or Fourth Life and we're already in Second Life right now.
Adrian,
The wonders of the Internet will never cease. I was on craigslist the other day looking for a new apartment when my friend told me there is an entire section devoted to men or women posting booty calls. Naturally I had to get in on the action.
http://wichita.craigslist.org/cas/917997859.html
my v word is gingstsm
Dylan
I'm suspicious of Craigs List. It seems a great institution for bike thieves.
But if you say you're already looking for a new apartment...isn't it false advertising?
Marco, Dylan
I forgot to mention there is a brief Craigs List scene in Fifty Grand.
(hangs head in shame at use of gratuitous plug)
Marco- Never trust a guy living in his mom's basement.
I did get some sexy replies from Spambot hookers which was fun.
Adrian-
Any book with a craigslist moment is a book worth reading.
I just finished re-reading "My Name is Asher Lev" so I'm ready for something new. When is this one set to drop?
Jessica Rabbit? - there's a reference that dates you.
Dylan
Not till April but I'll have galleys to give away in a month or so.
The Craigs List scene of course is about prostitution...
Ian
What are you talking about? Jessica Rabbit is a timeless sex symbol for the ages.
Being able to get a hooker on Craigslist is everything that is right with America.
Not that I would know or anything.....
(PS) If "Porsche" reads this blog call me!
Dylan
Of course in the virtual world no one's actually going to go to prison. CL is popular among the law enforcement community too.
Re:50G
Adrian,will there also be a Serpent's Tail edition?
Marco
Yeah there will. I think that'll be out in June 09 about two months after the US edition.
Adrian,
Any suggestions on creating a platform for a book from a new writer? Any suggestions would be helpful. I'm reading a bunch of books on pitching and proposals, though my book is completed. Where does an unpublished first timer start as far as a platform goes?
Sorry to post this here but I didn't know where else to ask.
By the way, Dead I Well May Be does figure prominently in one entire chapter.
Thanks brother,
Greg
Greg
DONT SEND TO PUBLISHERS. You will be in for pain and rejection and more pain.
Instead do this: Buy that big book that lists all the literary agents in the US. Make a list of 50 agents that seem good to you, write a brilliant cover letter and send off the cover letter and chapter 1 (even if they tell you not to do that) to the first three on your list.
Wait.
Follow up in 4 weeks.
Work your way down the list.
Thats it.
The cover letter is key. Say something really interesting in the second paragraph Eg: "This book is about my experiences planning the Kennedy assassination and faking the moon landing and my affair with Lindsay Lohan, Britney Spears and Paris Hilton."
Hope that helps mate
A...
Thanks so much! That really helps! I have the book you recommend sitting two feet away from me. I really appreciate your advice!
Greg
no worries mate
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Of course in the virtual world no one's actually going to go to prison.
But this is just the kind of callous thinking that the web master of our particular level must be employing. We may be sims, but that still leaves us with at least the illusion of suffering. Sure, he, she or it knows it's all an illusion, but that doesn't help us much as we're carted off to jail, does it? Those handcuffs still pinch in a real enough feeling way.
Pinch they do although not as much as those platic ones.
How can someone be unable to attend a virtual wedding?
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I expect she had virtual commitments elsewhere.
Plastic's worse, huh? In Fourteenth Life, where I happen to be running the show, they have just been abolished by U.N. mandate. However in Fifteenth Life, also mine, they are now mandatory even for regular citizens. I'll just fool around for awhile and see which feel more like me.
I just heard on the Lehrer newhour that this round of vetting of possible appointees by Obama's people includes internet scandals, but by the time the next election roles around, it might also include avatar scandals. Your blog is more prescient than you know, Adrian. Or at least more prescient than I knew.
Peter,
She couldnt go because she was working at her real job. Those virtual detective cases do not pay the bills. She charges I believe 100 Linden dollars an hour, but that translates to a few cents in our realm.
Seanag
I've heard that in fifteenth life MASH is still running. They're all the way up to Gulf War 1 now.
Fifteenth Life basically is MASH, but with parts for everyone in the world. The characters seem to be getting a little tired of hearing the theme song played everywhere, and also the sound of the choppers, I'm really not sure why. But the newly required plastic handcuffs do seem to be working nicely to keep people from changing the dial, which would not be in their best interests AT ALL.
It must be down in the 30th circle that everyone's playing Dharma and Greg
I wonder if a virtual M*A*S*H continues the pattern the real one followed in its final years, that of losing its edge and becoming softer and more Mike Farrellish.
I was present at an odd moment in popular culture: a MASH bash around the show's last episode. I'm not sure this pehomenon was a high point in American life.
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You mean the tough-keyboarding virtual detective doesn't get twenty-five virtual dollars a day plus virtual expenses?
So the attendee at the virtual wedding couldn't just attend by e-mail sent earlier or later than the virtual ceremony? He (or she) could have chalked up his (or her)resulting failure to join conversations to a severe case of virtual laryngitis.
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Peter
No, she makes a fortune in Linden dollars which go far in SL but apparently the exchange rate is very low for real dollars. At one point she had ten people working for her in SL which is more like the Confidential Agent than Sam Spade...
It must be down in the 30th circle that everyone's playing Dharma and Greg
In the words of the immortal Dorothy Parker, 'What fresh hell is this?'
I mean, come on, handcuffs are one thing, eternal Dharma and Greg reruns quite another. There are limits.
Peter, virtual MASH doesn't include Mike Farrell elements. It's more along the lines of the original Robert Altman movie, which is part of its universal appeal. Especially for those still stuck in the Dharma and Greg universe.
Boy, I must be missing something, never having seen "Dharma and Greg."
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Peter
Life may be too short to read Clarissa but all the lifetimes in all the multiverses are too short to ever wish to see Dharma and Greg.
Seanag
I've heard they used Dharma and Greg in those scientology courses where they break you down to a quivering mass of flesh. And Jenna Elfman would know...
So satori is not ever having to watch Dharma and Greg, and nirvana is breaking free of a world that includes Dharma and Greg, and those Bhodisattvas from Gandhara look so calm because they have returned to Earth to rescue people from having to watch Dharma and Greg.
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Well, close.The Boddhisatvas from Gandhara never actually had to contend with American sitcoms at their most innocuous, so we don't really know if they would have been able to maintain transcendence. I think probably not, but that's just me.
Seanag, Peter,
Dharma and Greg is punishment for misdeeds in a previous incarnation. Karma not Dharma.
The only thing it was missing was Brooke Shields.
We have reruns of Dharma and Greg right now on a Mediaset (Berlusconi) channel,though early in the morning as fodder.
Is it a subtle hint that I'm living in a lower level of reality? That would explain so much...
Adrian,Bernd/Krimileser may be too modest to mention it,but has posted his glowing review of DIWMB on his site.
He still maintains the reason you're not more successful that you are is that your writing is too intelligent and asks too much of the reader-you'd better watch Dharma and Greg for pointers.
The verificator calls me a phool,and it's probably right.
Thanks Marco
I'll jump over there and check it out.
I've only got 1 year of high school German though so I'm not likely to get much of it.
The missus speaks Yiddish though, I wonder if that will help?
So,did you get at least the gist of it?
Don't tell me you need a translation!
Does your wife know Moni Ovadia ?
His site (Italian only) is here
Good artist ,but even better man-for example today 21 November he is in Bruxelles to take part in a discussion promoted by the European Economic and Social Committee on social inclusion and immigrants and minority rights
Ciao,
marco
Perhaps the Buddha of compassion has special compassion for watchers of Dharma and Greg, whose title always set my teeth on edge even though I've never seen the show.
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Marco
Heard of him but Yiddish theatre is more the domain of her friend Jeremy Dauber at Columbia. She's more into fiction ie Lamed Shapiro
Peter
Studio 60 was worse though, at least D&G had no pretensions to anything.
Adrian really needs to wake the fuck up and start writing books about sparkly emo Vampires if he wants to keep paying the bills with his words.
Give the people what they want.
I died a little inside when I realized that Twilight could be a movie and DIWMB hasn't been made yet.
Dylan
The funny thing is that I've more or less told the missus and my agent that if I cant get a book which actually sells some copies in the next 2 years I'm just going to quit and go back to teaching full time. I CLEARLY dont understand the market and at a certain point you have to admit defeat. Teaching's an honorable profession and I enjoy it and you're right you cannot live on selling five thousand copies a year at two dollars a copy.
I went to my local Borders the others day and they had a list of local fiction bestsellers. This is the top 3 on the list
1. High School Musical 3 - the novel
2. High School Musical 1 - the novel
3. High School Musical 2 - the novel
a...
to a degree I would say you are right. Nobody can be a starving artist when you have kids to take care of. But regardless of your popularity keep writing, you have a unique style and voice that is appealing. Plus writing shit books like the Twilight series would be nice financially but your smart enough to know you would hate the very work that made you rich.
Maybe you could ask to write the Prequel to HSM?
never mind my improper use of your
Dylan
Oh yeah I'd keep writing, but if I was teaching full time I'd be producing a book every 3 years or so rather than every year. Its just a question of time, you know.
Still it aint all gloom and doom, I'm moderately hopeful for 50G. I really put a lot into that book and hopefully the punters will appreciate that.
I actually bought HSM for my 6 yr old daughter so I'm part of the problem not the solution.
Adrian
I can't wait for 50G, and I hope it's a huge success. You deserve it.
-B
thanks mate,
we'll see,
and hopefully in a month or so I'll have a few galleys to give away on the blog
Hell, I'll take one. I'll even answer a skill-testing question.
At least you have a profession to fall back on.
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Peter
I'll be getting you on my Media Copies list, that is unless the recession has crippled Holt's marketing divison (and I'm starting to hear a few ominous rumors)
Many thanks. I'd definitely write it up on my blog. And I'm sure my "news"paper would be as willing as it always is to accord lavish space to discussion of good books.
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Well, I'll weigh in with my two cents from the bookseller's perspective, for whatever that's worth.
Your books are commercially viable, Adrian. Maybe not James Patterson ghostwritten crap commercially viable, but definitely Michael Connelly, Dennis Lehane, George Pelecanos commercially viable. Mystery and suspense readers like well-written fiction,and there are enough of them to make this a sustainable enterprise. You only have to look at the explosion of melancholic Swedes invading the mystery aisle right now to know that simplistic feel good mysteries are not what everyone is seeking right now.
The depressing part is that it does all in some sense come down to marketing. And no, I'm not going to start in on who you should chat up in the bar on your next book tour again. I'm not talking about self-promotion, I'm talking about a publisher backing a book in a significant way and mounting an effective campaign for it. Please don't tear out your hair at this, because it's not your fault, and coming from your follicly challenged gene pool, that might just add to your miseries, but it doesn't help even the most enthusiastic bookseller when the first crucial book in a series is out of print.
But, the good news is, that I have seen countless examples of excellent writers finally finding their audience. Which is what it's all about really. Not convincing everybody, just finding and convincing the right people.
Here's an example, but it's far from the only one. Harper published the first four volumes of Donna Leon's Venetian series. A Swiss friend that I worked with already knew of them by the time this happened and enthused about them, so I knew they must be good. But Harper didn't put anything into marketing them and with the exception of the first book, they gradually went into that weird limbo of 'out of stock' indefinitely', which still means you can't get it. I had people coming in all the time, and these were customers whose taste I respected, saying they had read them in Europe or even just out of the library and asking me in a mildly reproving voice why I didn't get them back in.
Then suddenly,Penguin picked them up. They put great covers on them, and got them right up the bestseller lists. It didn't even seem to be that hard. The sad fact is that there was a lag time in Americans learning about these, and Harper didn't have the patience or the commitment to wait this out. But they still have the gall to retain rights to the first in the series, Death at La Fenice, the spineless cowards.
I'm sure there is some such tale in Penguin's closet too, though. It's not about vilifying the publishers, it's about realizing from the writer's perspective what forces are at work that have nothing to do with either writers' talent or readers willingness to give them a go. I'd guess that most of the readers of this blog are atypical in their willingness to independently seek out new books. A lot more people apparently like to be told. I don't mean that to sound like looking down at them in condescension, it's that in their busy lives, researching books is not high on their lists of priorities. But if someone can connect them with a book they love, they are going to appreciate it.
I expect that makes everyone feel relatively powerless about this. But the good news is that there are probably more ways than ever for each of us to get our own word out on any book we admire,whether it's Amazon or your own blog or whatever. Hopefully this Fifty Grand thing isn't going to be a load of crap, Adrian, but if it turns out we all actually like it, let's don't be shy about spreading the word. A review doesn't have to consist of anything more than "Loved it!". Really.
And if you end up teaching again, Adrian, that will certainly not be the worst thing for the world either. Just think of it as working out all that karma you undoubtedly owe without having to watch endless Dharma and Greg episodes. But I'm reassured that you don't mean to do anything drastic like quit writing.
I know--that was a lot more than two cents. Someone once asked me in frustration why I was always putting in my two cents. I told him that it was because I have so much sense to give.
Yeah, if you did something drastic like quitting writing, someone would lock you in a room and break yer fecking legs until you started again.
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Seanag
Thank you for your considered response and the cheap pun at the end of it.
I take your point. I dont even need Michael Connolly or Denny Lehane figures. I'd be pretty content with about 15 000 books a year. I could live on that. Problem is that would be tripling my current sales and that seems a pretty tall order esp in a recession.
And there is also the siren call of Hollywood. When you look at the guild minimums for a sitcom like Dharma and Greg for example its very very lucrative. I have a few contacts out there. Its the classic sell your soul/dont sell your soul dilemma.
Fortunately 50G kicks ass (according to my agent, but he wouldnt like would he?)
Peter
Breaking me legs is one thing but the old belfast six pack is quite another.
That wasn't a pun, that was just the truth.
Peter, break whatever you want, but just don't break his writing hand, unless you are prepared to tutor him through the long, laborious process of training him to write with his teeth.
Okay, Adrian, here's the lowdown. In the the 30th circle, you--or really, your sim-- do start up a mad affair with Jenna Elfman which leads you to take the Hollywood bait and get rich off the subsequent movie deals. Downside? Well, there really isn't any, except for the fact that "Mad Dog Peter Rozovsky" does somehow manage to break not only your legs and your Belfast sixpack, whatever that is, but all the pencils in your house. Computers? Sorry. This is Dharma's pre-computer literate world.
Why not come on up to Fourteenth Life instead? I forgot to tell you that, in addition to abolishing the plastic handcuffs there, your sim is actually Captain of the Ireland Rugby Team. True, in our own current sim life this might not seem so momentous, but in Fourteenth Life, things are different. This is basically Rugby World. After deeply pondering William James injunction to find 'the moral equivalent of war', some wise souls realized that rugby was just that. Quasi-nonviolent, except for the occasional fan riots, but even these containing no weapons of mass destruction. Everyone in this simulated universe lives, eats and dreams rugby, which also,amazingly enough turns out to be good for the environment, as no one really needs any mass produced goods besides rugby gear.
Did I say everyone? That was a slight exaggeration. The one person who is oblivious to rugby is the sim of Angelina Jolie. Unfortunately, the programming component of her character seems to have a malfunction, which means that the adoption mania evident on our level has, in this realm spiralled exponentially out of control, her current count of adopted children currently somewhere in the neighborhood of 1.5 million. Some of these kids like rugby, but the vast majority have never been exposed to it, a big topic of the UN, which, frankly, has very little else to talk about, now that they've resolved the whole handcuff issue.
So, there you go--you win some, you lose some. Yes on rugby captain, no on Angelina. However the Brad Pitt sim, in a world where film has yet to be invented, and with very little natural aptitude for rugby, has time on his hands. In case there's anyone of your acquaintance who might like to, you know, give him a plot...
Oh I'd like to see Brad Pitt in the rugby scrum. Wipe that smile off his pretty face.
0ne of the problems with rugby is that they are actually two rugbys. Yup as if its not hard enough to break the game in America or Asia there are two competing codes: rugby league and rugby union. It would be tedious to explain the differences between the games or to mention that there is even a class dimension to these differences...but there you have it.
Rugby World sounds great though. It would be lovely to see New Zealand, Western Samoa and Tonga up there as world superpowers.
If anyone's wondering what happened to my Simple Lines Intertwining post...
I had to delete it because the rights holders asked me to remove it.
Sorry.
Two rugbys? That's great news. War between the two rival camps will make my simulation much more marketable, as everyone knows that peace is monotonous in everything besides real life. I mean, "Real Life". I was counting on the disaffected Rugby School/Flashman faction, but this is better.
So far in Rugby World, soon to be retitled 'Rugby Wars!' the Brad Pitt sim has pretty much only one line: "Don't hate me because I'm beautful", which seems thus far seems to have been appropriate in almost every situation. So be careful of the dentalwork, please.
Sorry to hear about the post delete. It seems excessive on someone's part--not to mention ill-considered.
Seanag
yeah that sucked, but the whole of YouTube is built on people basically turning a blind eye...
Another advantage of rugby world ...men with cauliflower ears and no teeth are the norm so BP's even more of a freak...
Someone once asked me in frustration why I was always putting in my two cents. I told him that it was because I have so much sense to give.
My God,that's worthy of Adrian all right.
I actually bought HSM for my 6 yr old daughter so I'm part of the problem not the solution.
Damn right!
Oh yeah I'd keep writing, but if I was teaching full time I'd be producing a book every 3 years or so rather than every year.
So we should hope for moderate success-less will mean teaching and fewer books,more will mean buen retiro in Tasmania and no books.
And there is also the siren call of Hollywood. When you look at the guild minimums for a sitcom like Dharma and Greg for example its very very lucrative. I have a few contacts out there. Its the classic sell your soul/dont sell your soul dilemma.
One of my favourite authors (pluripremiated in the fantasy/sf/horror field) writes novelizations and tie-ins to help pay the bills (12 monkeys,Catwoman,Star Wars tie-ins).In an interview she has said that she does it because,as a single parent with two children,she doesn't want to teach English;she writes them very much on autopilot,and they give her the freedom to do more serious work-kind like a filmmaker who does commercials or music videos to finance other projects.
Hell, I'll take one. I'll even answer a skill-testing question.
Me too.I'm worried because the latest pop-culture references in titles eluded me
-I felt so morally inferior I condidered seppuku to preserve the honour of my family.
By the way,Adrian,while I won't properly start with the translation for a while,could you send me a file of DIWMB to work with? It would be so much easier to work with a file than book-to-screen back and forth.
You could send it at marcolin (at) lillinet.org
Another advantage of rugby world ...men with cauliflower ears and no teeth are the norm so BP's even more of a freak
mmm...Dieux du Stade .
The Italian National Team made a similar calendar,with profits going to a charity.
We are in the 6 Nations now-we have beaten Scotland a few times and Wales once or twice-In 2007 we even managed fourth in the final table.
While the interest seems to be growing,rugby is still only played seriously in the few places where it has a long tradition -the current Italian champions come from a town with a population of 8,000.
One of the capitals of Italian Rugby is Padua,where a recent test match with Australia ended 20-30-my favorite Italian crime writer,Massimo Carlotto,comes from Padua and played in the youth section of the local team.
We do have a very romantic view of rugby-fair play,better fans,the teams share a beer after the match...
Marco
Are you crazy? Shouldnt you pitch it to a publisher first before starting a translation? What if you translate it and nobody wants it? You'll hate me and the book forever...seriously.
I'll tell you the problem with the e file. The last electronic draft I've got is missing huge chunks of the text that were added at the editing stage (other bits were deleted, changed, etc.) In fact its even a bit weirder than that - the UK pbk is a bit different from the US pbk, which is the final and definitive version. In the UK Serpents Tail just took it from the US plates, but for the US pbk my pbk editor encouraged me to have another go through the Ms. I did that and ended up cutting a few things here and there and fixing some continuity. I made one big change that affects book 3, so really the US pbk is the one to work from. The problem? Its out of print in the US...
Though it is readily available on Amazon and other places.
Too compensate for HSM 3 I've been reading her Little House on the Praire which I've never read. Its a very interesting book. I'm up to page 120 and what they've done is told you how to build a house.
Oh yeah and if I do have huge success, my agent's fired, the manuscripts are going up the chimney and you're going to have to find my dairy farm in Tazzy which is gonna be in the middle of nowhere and off the grid - just warning you.
A...
I meant to try my hand at it before contacting a publisher -how does it flow and so on- certainly not to do an entire translation,I'm not an eejit.
Still,if I do end up doing a translation,a file would be much better.Or rather,much less time-consuming.
I have the ST editions-you're saying that I should make my translation from the American one?
Marco
Not the biggest deal in the world, but the US pbk does contain my last pass at the Ms. and a few fixes.
Up to you squire. I'd send you 1 but I only have 1 left from the boxes of the bastards that they sent me. They are on Amazon.com used and there's a chance Simon and Schuster will do a print on demand reprint to coincide with 50 G. If they do I'll get some and send.
But like I say not the biggest deal in the world. The book though is very different from the last e file that I do remember.
"One of the capitals of Italian Rugby is Padua ..."
Very good. I had known Padua for its medical school (William Harvey studied there), its botanical garden, and for being the site of the most important and greatest work in the history of Western art: Giotto's frescoes in the Arena Chapel. It's also the site of one of the most moving and astonishing acts of salvage from war: the reassembling of Mantegna's frescoes in the Eremitani Chapel. I couldn't get in to see Donatello's panels in the church of San Antonio, though. I was there during celebraiton of St. Anthony's 800th anniversary, so the was occupied by services all the time. The nerve of those people.
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Peter
And Marco wasnt kidding about rugby. Union of course not League. The Italians and Argentina have made the biggest move up the world rankings in recent years. And yes on a good day they could beat Scotland, Wales, Ireland and possibly England. Not France, NZ, Oz or SA yet though.
Oh yeah and if I do have huge success, my agent's fired, the manuscripts are going up the chimney and you're going to have to find my dairy farm in Tazzy which is gonna be in the middle of nowhere and off the grid - just warning you.
Oh, right.'Off the grid'. And you really think we won't be able to find you. All we'll have to do is ask the locals where the totally out of context Laura Ingalls Wilder house with High School Musical embellishments is and we'll be able to walk right up to your door. And I expect your daughters will be welcoming us with open arms. Well, not open arms--they will probably need those for their luggage.Because most new millennium girls are not actually keen on living in a sod house in Tasmania. Or so I've heard.
And I've checked out that Dieux de Stade link, and feel obliged to warn you that BP may be a lot more at home in Rugby World than you think...
Seanag
Oh the girls wont be happy. The missus wont be happy. I wont be happy, and the cows probably wont be happy, but we're still going...
Wow. Way to play with fire. Do me a favor--please leave an account of your final days somewhere where the cows can't trample it and your famiy won't find it after they make their triumphant escape. It wouldn't hurt anything if it was written in your own blood. Thanks in advance. I think I could make a lot of money off it, and it would be kind of a drag to have to forge it. But doable.
"Peter
"Breaking me legs is one thing but the old belfast six pack is quite another. "
I do believe that I learned about the Belfast six pack through your work. I have no desire to put into practice, though, even as a literary tribute.
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