Sunday, May 31, 2009

Boulevard of Broken Dreams

Hollywood killed Scott Fitzgerald and drove William Faulkner to drink. Nathanel West warned writers to stay away in The Day of the Locust, and the films Barton Fink and The Player seem less like parables and more like bitter reality tales. Still most novelists cannot resist the siren call (respect to JD Salinger and Thomas Pynchon who have turned down millions) and history, alas, shows that the money is never an adequate compensation for the pain inflicted by those bright young execs in the City of Angels. I was thinking about this while reading a great article in The Onion about the writers who have particularily hated what Hollywood did to their book. I liked this anecdote about Hemingway:

Hemingway had a special hatred for Frank Borzage’s 1932 version of A Farewell To Arms, starring Gary Cooper and Helen Hayes. He thought it betrayed his original ending, and that it heavily favored the romantic elements of the story over his depiction of wartime brutality. As a special show of contempt, Hemingway actively worked to keep the film from premièring in Piggott, Arkansas, the tiny town where he wrote much of the book. He was unsuccessful.

The rest of the piece (including the whole Clive Cussler Sahara debacle) can be read and enjoyed here though they forgot about Raymond Chandler who famously said: "If my books had been any worse, I should not have been invited to Hollywood, but if they had been any better, I should not have come."

73 comments:

Stuart Neville said...

A very interesting piece. I've never felt that a movie needs to be slavish to its source novel, and I sometimes think authors get a little precious about the whole thing. I don't know how I'd feel about it if it ever happened to me, but I'd like to think I'd have the good sense to just shut my mouth and lodge the cheque.

Dana King said...

I have many favorite Chandler quotes. That one is always in my Top Five.

I understand why movies must be different: it's a different storytelling medium. That being said, some movies are so far removed from the original intent, you have to wonder why they bothered. I like Robert Altman's movies in general, but The Long Goodbye is a desecration of Chandler's book. I have read that is what Altman intended, to show how Chandler's chivalrous image of the detective was out of date by scorning it. If so, he should have written his own story.

The irony is, Altman missed the point completely. Chandler knew his idea of chivalry was outdated. That's what makes Marlowe such an enduring character. He has his code, and he sticks to it.

Matt said...

A while back I read an Americanized screenplay for John Christopher's The White Mountains *shudders*. The films referenced in the Onion article would be classics in comparison. I hope I never live to see it.

Hardbarned said...

I agree with Stuart. Two different art forms, occasionally overlapping yet thoroughly independent whether adaptation is involved or not. I try not to get my hopes up for a film version of a book I've loved, though I can think of a few that were pretty good. Fight Club for one, though they messed up the ending, and I have to say I can't wait to see what Viggo does in The Road.
I will continue to hope that Michael Forsythe will live on in cinema, and if it sucks, I will forget it like yesterday's newspaper and just read his adventures again.

seanag said...

So what are you saying, Adrian--that you'd turn down the Hollywood deal?

I may have said this before but Karen Joy Fowler was asked what she thought of the movie they'd made of The Jane Austen Book Club. She said, What did I think of the movie? I took the check I got for it and bought a house in Santa Cruz--that's what I thought of the movie.

Which I think is about the right attitude.

Peter Rozovsky said...

Dana, it's interesting you should single out Robert Altman, who made a movie noted for the alleged scorn it heaped on Hollywood but filled that movie with Hollywood stars. I've never seen The Player, and I have no interestin seeing it, yet the idea of filling such a movie with Hollywood stars while pretending to criticize Hollywood strikes me as insufferably pretentious and precious.
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adrian mckinty said...

Stuart

I hear what you're saying (esp the Stephen King bit in the piece - the two versions of the Shining are incomparable!) but there's taking liberties and taking liberties. I hope they are sensible enough to turn Ellroy's most recent trilogy (what are we calling that BTW?) into an HBO mini series not a film.

adrian mckinty said...

Dana

The ending of the film was silly. Why would he care? It goes against his entire character throughout the rest of the picture. The book at least is consistent and actually morally ambiguous.

adrian mckinty said...

Matt

For years and years I've been hearing about the Hollywood version of The Tripods but it has never happened. That creepy 80's BBC version was pretty good though if I recall correctly. Doesnt the series end with a nuclear attack on the Earth? Maybe thats how the books end?

adrian mckinty said...

HB

Did you read my review of The Road somewhere on this blog? I really liked the book, though I found it utterly terrifying and quite depressing. I dont know if I could bear to watch the film.

adrian mckinty said...

Seana

I think if the movie version of DIWMB had happened in 2006 when it looked like it might I would have gone along with anything. But not now. Now I dont think I could take being associated with a rubbish film for any amount of money. If Michael Bay wanted to buy it for a million bucks I'd like to believe I would turn him down, whereas if Werner Herzog offered me a 100 bucks and a packet of crisps I'd say yes.

adrian mckinty said...

Peter

I quite liked The Player for all the anti writer remarks not the obnoxious and oh so knowing cameos. I am not a fan of Tim Robbins either and Whoopie Goldberg is the cop...wait a minute that sounds f**king ghastly, maybe I'd hate it if I saw it again.

Peter Rozovsky said...

”If Michael Bay wanted to buy it for a million bucks I'd like to believe I would turn him down, whereas if Werner Herzog offered me a 100 bucks and a packet of crisps I'd say yes.” McKinty, the wrath of God.
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seanag said...

You'd like to believe it, yes.

Although I do believe the part about Werner Herzog.

I actually believe you about Michael Bay too, unless it was packaged in such a way that you could persuade yourself to think that, this time, it would be different.

Which isn't so awfully hard to do when you've got a million dollars for the taking, I'm thinking.

Declan Burke said...

Squire - Point Michael Bay in my direction. I'll buy you Werner Herzog and a packet of crisps.

Great movies adapted from great novels:

The Long Goodbye;
The Last Temptation;
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest;
On the Waterfront;
Last Exit to Brooklyn;
The Remains of the Day;
Out of Sight;
To Kill a Mockingbird;
The Night of the Hunter;
The Big Sleep;
The Postman Always Rings Twice;
LA Confidential;
2001: A Space Odyssey;

Etc., et al ...

Cheers, Dec

adrian mckinty said...

Peter

I thinking shooting with Werner in the jungles of the Yucatan could be a real hoot.

adrian mckinty said...

Seana

Well you never know how you'd respond to temptation until you actually have the temptation. I like the fact that Holden in Catcher things that DB's completed ruined his life by moving to Hollywood.

adrian mckinty said...

Dec

A good director can serve any material I think, even bad stuff.

Funny you should mention Night of the Hunter. Until I few years ago I thought that I was the only person on Earth who had seen and admired that film which was an absolute disaster on its release.

Two nights ago I was watching Bringing up Baby, which although not quite up there with His Girl Friday is an absolute joy. I was amazed to read in Wikipedia that it was such a flop that it nearly destroyed the careers of Hawks, Grant and Hepburn. I dont know if its showing a shifting zeitgeist or if the general public are just pretty short sighted sometimes.

adrian mckinty said...

Dec

The Natural is another one. A VERY different book and film but both good in their own way.

The Princess Bride is another one.

adrian mckinty said...

And of course for me the paradigm case of a film being better than the book - even a classic - is The Last of the Mohicans.

Michael Stone said...

And of course for me the paradigm case of a film being better than the book - even a classic - is The Last of the Mohicans.I'd add The Lord of the Rings to that small list.

Stuart Neville said...

Yep, Night of the Hunter was a wonderful film (Robert Mitchum in wet-your-pants-scary-nutjob mode). It's deeply creepy, and it did some extraordinary things with set design, such as when the camera backs out of the set and one point and you realise the bedroom in which Ms Winters meets her fate is shaped like a church.

And it's a terrific book, too, way ahead of its time.

It's a Wonderful Life is another fine example of a film that flopped on release, only to become a classic through TV reruns.

Brian O'Rourke said...

This is too obvious, so that's why no one's mentioned it probably, but The Godfather is another example. The book is a decent mafia story, while the movie is one of the best ever made.

Peter Rozovsky said...
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Peter Rozovsky said...

"And of course for me the paradigm case of a film being better than the book - even a classic - is The Last of the Mohicans.

"I'd add The Lord of the Rings to that small list."

Another example of a movie better than the book: Election. Also Rear Window, though Hitchcock's changes were so extensive that one might argue that his movie was an original work and not based on Cornell Woolrich's story.

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Matt said...

The Natural reminds me of Bang the Drum Slowly, perhaps the best baseball film, based on one of Mark Harris' terrific baseball novels. The film is wonderful, with such vivid characters, but is it better than the novel? Can't say for sure, the novels are great as well.

seanag said...

I'm thinking about making that movie deal on your behalf and then absconding to Australia with the money.

Oops, that won't quite work, will it? Oh, Cuba--now that sounds more like it. My Santa Cruz address will let me in, while my copy of Fifty Grand, shown to the right people, will keep you from pursuing the matter.

Of course, the only problem is, I'd have to live in Cuba.

I'd second that To Kill a Mockingbird movie as a near perfect translation from great book to great film. Another book/movie combo I feel that way about is A Member of the Wedding.

I happened to be reading an interview with Annie Proulx yesterday. I had thought she really liked the film version of Brokeback Mountain, and I think she did, but it's made her life very difficult. It's not just the anti-gay Wyoming faction, which she could totally have predicted, but the fact that people became obsessed with the relationship, and are always sending her fantasy happy endings--as if, she says, she would have written it that way if only she'd thought of it. She said that in the story, it's just two cowboys--their characters don't matter as much as the place and the culture. But the characters have sort of escaped her control. She is currently working with someone on an opera of it, her reason for doing that being that she doesn't want someone else to take it and give it a happy ending, but also, less realistically, I fear, so that she will finally be done with it. Right. That's going to happen. An opera will finally shut everyone up.

She sounds like a cantankerous old bird. Perhaps she can be my role model.

marco said...

You know, she could just throw away them in the waste paper basket, the cantankerous old bird.

-and are always sending her fantasy happy endings

The fools! Don't they know that True Art is Angsty ?

adrian mckinty said...

Michael I'm not going to go there, but I will say that it was only loyalty that kept me in my seat during the four endings, floods of Hobbit tears and long lingering goodbyes of part 3 of LOTR.

adrian mckinty said...

Brian

Never even tried the book. Might be a good audio though? According to Robert Evans Puzo brought it to him first as a treatment and he told him to expland it into a novel which might explain a few things.

adrian mckinty said...

Stuart

Its full of expressionistic detail like that. Laughton could have been one of the greatest directors of all time with a little bit of encouragement.

adrian mckinty said...

Peter

I'd find it hard to believe that any book could compete with the sublime aligning of stars that made Rear Window such a perfect film.

adrian mckinty said...

Matt

You know I love lists right? Well, I do. Some of my favourite baseball films, not really in order:

1. Bull Durham
2. The Natural
3. Bang The Drum Slowly
4. Field of Dreams
5. Pride of the Yankees

adrian mckinty said...

Seana

Yeah thats a good point. Perfect film and perfect book. TKAMB. Still prefer the book though, though I dont think I've read it in 20 years.

I havent seen the film of Brokeback. It really doesnt seem like my cup of tea. I'm guessing there's a lot of lush strings in the score. I liked the story though and I quite like her.

adrian mckinty said...

Marco

If I remember right Bugs is alive in that episode at the end so it is a happy ending.

I'd like to see more stories about happy people. did you see that Mike Leigh film Happy Go Lucky - it werent bad.

Stories of misery do make one laugh though. Always my favourite part of any travel book are the inevitable bouts of illness.

seanag said...

I really don't mean this as mockery, but 'expland' is a great word. To expand upon and explain at the same time. You can't get much more concise than that.

I do think that you have to consider that Brokeback Mountain is made by Ang Lee. There may have been strings, I don't recall them. I think its a great film, period. It's got two really fine actors, subtlety, incredible scenery, and what I would call a transcendent message about the human condition.

I heard Proulx liked it too--until it started to inconvenience her.And that's not a pan of her, that's just a 'consider the situation' kind of alert. It's a great compliment when readers want the characters to go on living (or to have another sequel, I say to the author of Michael Forsythe). It can be a problem for authors, but it doesn't mean there is a problem about the work.

seanag said...

Marco, I don't really think it's a case of 'this is a gay love story', so it necessarily has to have a tragic ending. Though, of course, I might be wrong--I mean, subconsciously, people do seem to have that tendency. But I do think she was just pissed off that people wanted to 'improve' her story and had taken the time to tell her about it.

PKL said...

Adrian:

Hollywood should have a gate
through which all the dreamers pass
It should great and black
and inspire dread and fear
and hold in its bleak arch
the words
"Abandon hope, all ye who enter here"
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Peter Rozovsky said...

Adrian, you're right about the sublime alignment of stars in Rear Window, including of movie stars. The leads were superb. The supporting actors were superb. The bit players were superb.

And Grace Kelly's and Thelma Ritter's parts would never have been there if not for what I assume was Hitchcock's guiding hand. The Kelly character appears nowhere in Woolrich's story, and Thelma Ritter's, a wisecracking insurance-company nurse in the movie, is a male janitor in the story. The movie is a decided improvement on both counts. In fact, Rear Window would probably be my choice for best film ever.

"Always my favourite part of any travel book are the inevitable bouts of illness."Dysentery. What a hoot!

In re Night of the Hunter, a professor of mine screened it for a class that I didn't much like, either because it was a shite class, I was a shite student, or both.

Anyhow, the next time the class met, I painted LOVE across the knuckles of one of my hands and HATE across the other. I made sure to arrive a few minutes late and to enter the classroom slipping my hands over the door jambs before the rest of me to achieve maximum effect. But I got no reaction whatsoever.

Shite class.

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PKL said...

Peter:

Unfortunately, Rear Window was made in the Hollywood of long ago and far away. It was not a kind and gentle place, but there were artists in residence.

Not so many anymore. Mostly technicians, working by consensus.

Makes for lots and lots and lots of really bad films.

Very rare indeed when a good one squeaks out in this era. Much more quantity at lower quality.

Alas.

Peter Rozovsky said...

I don't know enough about moviemaking to be able to guess why movies may be worse now than they were. But Hitchcock was a superb technician as well as a great artist. The former was probably part of the latter.
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seanag said...

PKL,

Regarding Hollywood, I think the sign should read:

"Closed after standard business hours. If you were looking for the gateway to hell, please note that there are several other entrances."

Peter--I think we already knew that it was the class and not you that was shite.

As for travel books, vagabonds, here's a word to the wise: when your journey takes a decided turn for the worse, that's the very point where you begin to have something to sell. I know that's cynical, but consider the source.

adrian mckinty said...

Patrick

Sometimes indy cinema comes through. I quite like Darren Aronofsky though I havent seen The Wrestler. I sometimes wonder what happened to the kid who made a film called Primer about time travel that I just thought was great. He made it for 10 grand and it was one of my favourites of the year and he just vanished, probably wouldnt play the Hollywood game or something.

adrian mckinty said...

Peter

So many delicious scenes, but Jimmy Stewart watching Grace Kelly nearly get killed has to be one of the best, he like us is both repelled and fascinated at the same time.

adrian mckinty said...

Seana

Maybe I'll give it a go. In fact I know I will give it a go when it comes on free TV. Speaking of free TV, in the last week I must have seen this cheesy ad Kevin Costner made for Turkish Airlines about a dozen times. How the mighty have fallen.

adrian mckinty said...

Seana

Oops forget the link.

Kevin Costner for Turkish airlines. hard to believe that there are that many Turkish people in Melbourne, the rotation has been so heavy.

Brian O'Rourke said...

Adrian,

Wow, this is weird, b/c I was planning on sitting down to watch Primer this afternoon.

Oh, and how could I have forgotten about my favorite movie of all time? Lawrence of Arabia is better than The Seven Pillars of Wisdom. Thank you, Robert Bolt.

seanag said...

If the gods are with me, I will be switching over from dial-up sometime this week, so I think I'll save Mr. Costner till then. How the whole Turkish airlines deal came about is hard to imagine.

He can be good, when he doesn't overreach himself.

I thought I saw Primer, but reading the blurb, it doesn't sound familiar. On to the Netflix list it goes.

PKL said...

Adrian, Peter, Seana et al:

Sure, there are miracles still.

Artists like Tom McCarthy write and release films like The Visitor and The Station Agent and earn both critical kudos and money. It still happens. But as a percentage of the total output of Hollywood, it is rarer and rarer. Just standing out in the din of trash is a problem few can solve.

The Wrestler is a very good film, and every year lately, it seems that the rate of decent ones (studio and indie) is about 10, maximum, each year.

Ten films, that is, that are really worth going out of one's way to see. It's been about ten really good films a year as long as I've been seeing films, which is nearly 50 years now.

But the total US-released films per year in 2005-9 is about 700-1000 films. As recently as the mid-Eighties, the average feature release rate was less than 50 films per year.

So, the quantity of movies in US has risen 800-1000% per year, and the number of really good ones has not even clicked up a notch.

Of course, the entertainment value of a film is certainly a subjective thing, and we all vary as to which ones we think are worth our time and money.
But I often ask the question, when this subject arises:

"How many films have you seen in the past year that you would rate highly, a four or five, say, out of five?"

Most people name fewer than three. Even real cineasts (people who see 10 or more new films a month) rarely name even ten.

So, just speaking on the basis of the stats, one would have to say that hundreds more films are being made, but the number of really good films is not rising at all.

adrian mckinty said...

Brian

I thought it was great. And then I thought wow if someone gives this kid a decent budget and professional actors he's going to do amazing things. That was five years ago.

adrian mckinty said...

Seana

I think you'll enjoy it but I dont think you'll fly Turkish airlines.

adrian mckinty said...

Patrick

Ahhh, The Station Agent.

My little brother is a train fanatic and it was with a great deal of suspicion that I watched that film after his recommendation.

It's a small masterpiece (definitely no pun intended) with some of the finest performances ever captured on film. Jim Jarmusch wishes he could make a film that good.

seanag said...

I'm with you guys on The Station Agent. But then, I suppse you would be hard-pressed to find anyone who wasn't.

As to flying Turkish airlines, well, you just never know, do you? But you're right--probably not on Kevin Costner's endorsement.

I accept the discouraging statistics on great movies vs. bad ones, Patrick. I think what I've noticed more experientially, and this may just be something about me, is that the little indie movies that used to pull me into the theatre don't so much anymore. I can't tell if the movies have gotten more predictable, or if I have just become more jaded.a I think it's partly both--the exotic isn't quite enough on its own, and small town dramas that are just about the dilemmas of small time characters aren't working for me either. I feel like some vein that was long productive has been tapped out.

Which doesn't mean I don't enjoy going. But in general I enjoy more moderately than I used to.

Fortunately my Netflix queue is miles long, so I am not too worried about keeping myself entertained.

Dana King said...

Peter,
I actually liked THE PLAYER. I thought it was Altman's and his cast's way of thumbing their noses at the studio execs responsible for the way movies get made, and not made, at the time.

seanag said...

I liked 'The Player' too, but it did feel a bit too much like an inside joke. A brilliant one, but nevertheless. I think it's a problem for Hollywood satires in general. There have been a couple of pretty decent sitcoms on the subject of how brutal Hollywood is, but they feel a little too brutal to a person who hasn't been through that particular wringer.

PKL said...

Seana:

It's not your interest that's waning, it's just that the quality of film, in general is getting worse. I have a recommendation for you that you will likely enjoy.
It's called Riding Alone for Thousands of Miles, by
Zhang Yimou, the great Chinese director of House of Flying Daggers and Curse of the Golden Flower and Hero.

Riding Alone is nothing like those epic spectacles. It is a lovely film about a Japanese father's journey to China to complete a film made by his son, who is dying of cancer.

You have never seen a film like this before, and never will again, because it is entirely unique. Netflix has it always available, and my best advice is to move it to the top of your queue.

seanag said...

Patrick,

As it happens, I did see that one and I did really love it. I even bought a used copy of a book on Chinese masks after I saw it, which I only remember because I came across it while moving.

I do think there is a lot of good and even great stuff out there. I am not sure about the percentage. But I think for me the difference is that I used to actually make the time for moviegoing, and now I just see things as I get around to them, which of course then isn't often. It's really too bad, as I think going to movies is restorative for me in some way that I can't wholly account for. It's a great transition directly after work, for one thing.

adrian mckinty said...

Dana

I flip flop. I liked it until Peter reminded me about Whoopie Goldberg.

adrian mckinty said...

Patrick

The firmness of your rec has convinced me. I will check it out at the local DVD shop. Although I'm warning you now that I didnt like Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon at all.

adrian mckinty said...

Seana

I think I'm finding an enjoyable film to actually go and see at the cinema increasingly rare. The last one was Michael Clayton.

seanag said...

It's nothing like Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon.

I liked Michael Clayton too. I don't know what it is about George Clooney, though, that I can never get entirely on his bandwagon. He would seem to be the total package--handsome, intelligent, hard working, interested in the craft. But--I don't know what the but is, but it's there.

Peter Rozovsky said...

Seana, perhaps George Clooney's smugness turns you off, his too obvious belief that he is an important person doing serious things.

I remember also that some years ago, he sought to organize a boycott among stars of obtrusive celebrity publications -- as if those publications were infringements on his work rather than the very vehicles of his celebrity. The man actually seemed to think that he was earning $20 million per movie because he was a serious artist and not because he was a celebrity made such by those very publications.
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adrian mckinty said...

Peter

Whats with the moderator approval on your blog? Did you get hit by a spam invasion?

adrian mckinty said...

Seana

I thought it was a tight little movie. I'd Clooney a lot if he only made films like that and stayed away from all those smug celebrity back slapping films he makes with the Coens or Soderberg.

seanag said...

I think Peter has comment moderation for older posts as he had some trouble with them in the past.

You're right, Clooney was good in that. I thought he was also pretty good as the TV exec in that Edward R. Murrow flick. Peter may be right about the smugness. But what I think is that he is an enormously self-conscious person, very guarded, and he resorts to mugging in his weaker moments. It's a big problem for an actor to have, I think--fear of losing control.

Peter Rozovsky said...

Adrian" Not exactly a spam invasion, but it's just that Blogger was not letting me delete the spam comments that did appear. But the problem may be solved now.

Seana, that may be an acute piece of analysis of Clooney. I thought his mugging in "Oh, Brother, Where Art Thou?" though widely praised, was excruciating. Of course, I thought the movie may be have been the most overrated I'd ever seen,
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seanag said...

It might be astute analysis. It might also be a total load of crap.

Although I didn't find 'O, Brother Where Art Thou?' excruciating, I was disappointed not to like it over much.

Peter Rozovsky said...

Seana, I don't mean I found the whole movie excrucuating, just that grating tag line Clooney's character used all the time, something like "Boy, we're in a tight spot!" I winced every time he used it. Sorry, that's not evidence of competent comic acting.
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seanag said...

I used the Turkish Airlines commercial as a test pilot on my new DSL connection and it worked great--and a nice ad and all
! So fire away with those YouTubes. I'm ready.

And actually, I give Kevin Costner credit for recognizing good material in unlikely places when he sees it. Now I'm sure that when I fly Turkish Airlines, I will feel like a star too. Why? Because they've told me so.

adrian mckinty said...

Peter

I havent seen Burn After Reading but I sure hated Clooney's other two Coen Brothers films. He seems to bring out the worst in them.

adrian mckinty said...

Seana

I dont mind the ad but I wonder why its in such heavy rotation here in Melbourne. I must have seen it twenty times in a week. I dont get it.

seanag said...

Maybe a wave of Turkish immigrants is headed your way, still indecisive about how they are going to get there.

No, it does seem odd.

Burn This was boring. Killed off their best character too early.

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