I recently read a crime novel by a white American novelist that made frequent use of the N word for black people. The effect was disastrous and made me embarrassed for this well known writer. No one had told him in a while that white people probably should not use this word in crime fiction even if they think they're hip and they know all the lyrics to Jay Z's Black Album.....
There is however one notable exception to this rule. James Ellroy's novel The Cold 6000 (2002) begins with the line: "They sent him to Dallas to kill a Ni**** pimp called Wendell Durfee." The N word gets used another four or five hundred times throughout the course of the book. I consider The Cold 6000 to be the best American crime novel of the last decade so is it a problem that this modern classic uses racist language with such impunity? In the case of 6000, I think not, although Ellroy is writing in 3rd person, it's the persona of a 3rd person bigot, racist, fantasist and nutcase. 6000 is an over-the-top examination of the American nightmare which began with the Cuban revolution and ended with the assassination of Martin Luther King. James Ellroy is an ironist not a racist and I feel that his use of the N word is not offensive (at least to me).
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Much more troubling is the line in Farewell My Lovely (1941) when the civilized, pipe smoking Philip Marlowe says to Detective Nulty "When is the inquest on the ni**** coming up?" It's the casualness of Marlowe's remark that's so disturbing. Clearly he uses this language with his friends and confederates. He's not showing off. He doesn't need to. This is how Marlowe thinks of black people. It diminishes him immeasurably in my eyes. The line of course is not used in the 1970's film version (above).
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The corrosive effect of the N word was well known by the 1940's. In 1941 the N word had already been effectively banned in Hollywood movies and most northern newspapers. Indeed the N word's unpleasantness was apparent way back in 1885 when H Rider Haggard said in King Solomon's Mines that to call someone a ni**** was vulgar and rude.
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Very occasionally I get asked for advice by neophyte writers. I generally stick to the tried and true formula: write what you know. But I'll throw in a piece of advice here, gratis: if you're not African American you should be very careful with the N word even if you're, say, Elvis Costello; chances are that you are not the supreme ironist that James Ellroy is and your use of this word in your fiction or your songs or any other art is going to be a disaster.
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Re: Farewell My Lovely - True, Adrian, and I have a similar moment in Casablanca when Ilsa, who's probably half Sam's age, asks "who's the boy at the piano?" A slur I can't ignore.
This discussion is always a swamp. I've used the word in fiction, always from the mouth of a character who would reasonably say it. I have the same approach to it as I do to the C word so offensive to women.
That being said, I've read a lot of UK crime fiction, and the C word does not appear to have the same strong connotation east of the Atlantic, as it's used much more frequently than in American fiction.
Would a character such as Ilsa make such a comment? Forget whether it's offensive to us, or even to Sam. She's a Eupopean, English is not her first language--though she speaks it fluently--and this was not an uncommon term of the day. Might she have picked it up, not realizing its potential for offense?
As for Marlowe, there's a counter argument. I can't remember which book, but he's agitating a cop for not followig up on a homicide by saying something to the effect of, "It's just a dead n***** over on Central. Not worth getting up over." He's clearly ripping the cop sarcastically.
On theother other hand, I just checked through FAREWELL MY LOVELY and found a few other references at least as bad as the one Matt cites, which is disappointing.
I still think we need to be careful when applying current mores to older works. True, the word was known to be offensive then, but it wasn't as toxic as it has become.
I think it's more of a case of a white writer needing to use the word carefully and judiciously rather then not using it at all. It's a word that carries weight, hurt and history with it and all of these things need to be accounted for. If your not up to the challenge THEN strike it from your available words.
But you talk of Ellroy's usage of irony as being a potentially proper context but there are others.
Used naturalistically -- Think David Simon and all the writers of The Wire and The Corner as well as George Pelecanos.
Used in first person -- Red Baker by Robert Ward comes to mind. The word is only used once, to describe a low paying job (n***** work). But coming as it does from a blue-collar, ex-steel worker it fits.
I think that there can be a difference between white writers and how they are exposed to black culture and what their interactions are with them. The writer who is exposed largely through different media outlets is going to come away with something far different then the writer whose exposure is in the everyday. This may explain why the examples I came up with are Baltimore/DC writers.
I think this interview exchange with Pelecanos touches on this:
You and Quentin Tarantino launched your careers around the same time, and you've since been compared to each other. You both dealt with violence in new ways. You were both big John Woo fans. And you were white guys writing in black American vernacular. Have you ever met Tarantino or talked to him?
Never.
Has there been any interest on his part in doing any of your books?
Not that I know of, no. Many years ago I got hired to write about him for a magazine, and his publicist wouldn't put me through.
You've said that you want to give violence its due horror. He deals with the shock and humor of violence.
I'm not an across-the-board fan of his. I mean, that might explain why we've never hooked up. I think Jackie Brown is his best film, and is a great film. But there's things like, in Pulp Fiction, the guy getting shot accidentally in the back seat of a car, and everybody's laughing in the theater. I don't get it, you know? I mean, I shot somebody when I was a teenager, and it's nothing to laugh about. I shot somebody in the face point blank. And there's nothing to laugh about when you call somebody a nigger. There's just a lot of things that I disagree with. And it's partly the audience.
I remember, when I saw Reservoir Dogs, I saw it in pretty much a white audience. And I saw these young guys in their 20s laughing at "Cut it out, you guys are acting like a bunch of niggers." And everybody's laughing and stuff. And then, I was looking around, and I saw a middle-aged black guy and his son, probably innocently going to check out that crime film. And everybody's laughing at that. I could just see the guy slinking down in his seat. Like, "What are they laughing at? What's so funny about that?"
But Jackie Brown, oddly enough, when he was criticized for that picture because of the use of that word, I felt like for the first time it was completely organic to the Sam Jackson character. That guy absolutely would have been saying that. The question is, Why is Steve Buscemi saying it? Why is Tarantino saying it in Pulp Fiction? Why would that guy be saying it to the Sam Jackson character? Sam Jackson would beat his ass, and instead he just lets it go. Quentin is saying it because it sounds cool, because he thinks it sounds cool.
The argument has been made that he's trying to take some of the sting out of the word.
That's bullshit.
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Yes,
Since I've been writing, I've kept it out of everything I've written. The views of your protagonists can often say a lot about you as a person.
Derrogatory words are funny sometimes. Call a black guy the N word and it's on like Donkey Kong. Call a Irishman a mick and it's like, "damn straight." But maybe that's just me. The N word is simply the worst derrogatory word you possibly utter, far worse than mick or dago or kraut, y'know what I mean?
I am very curious to see how Blood's a Rover will sell in the U.S. The racial epithets, especially being steadily battered with them for hundreds of pages is an uncomfortable experience, as I assume it is meant to be. I don't think it's just for the sake of verisimilitude, a la The Wire which could still be an acceptable reason if handled well, but to really put you into the mindset of a white supremacist segment of 60s culture. It's not a very nice place to be. I'm only a couple of hundred pages in, and I don't really know where Ellroy is going with all this, but he's certainly not going anywhere where you'll end up thinking that the radical racist fringe is really cool. Hell, no.
I agree with your ironist assessment of Ellroy, Adrian, but the problem is that a lot of people don't see irony. And then on a different level, our Random House sales rep is black and he doesn't read Ellroy, just because he can't quite stomach reading the N word that many times.
On the other hand, Ellroy has his fan base, and this aspect of his writing is not new. So we shall see.
Matt
Its unfortunate because Marlowe's world weary stance especially in that book is nearly perfect.
Dana
It is trouble. Its so funny you bring up the C word.
Have you seen that Larry David episode where he uses the C word and it destroys the party and makes the C word recipient question his whole masculinity? I think at the end of the episode he becomes gay.
Whereas...Have you ever been to Glasgow on a Friday night? The c word is used as vowel, noun, verb, adverb and every other combination in, mostly, a friendly way. (But not always).
Brian
Very interesting stuff. A lot of stuff I did not know about Georgie there.
I remember having a discussion with my brother in law about Pulp Fiction along these lines. I loved Pulp Fiction and thought it was a great film but he could not get passed the Dead N****** Storage line. He hated it and it ruined the whole film for him. I think Georgie probably had the same reaction.
Liam
Yeah I have to say though when I'm in London (and only London I think) if someone Cockney guy calls me a Paddy I'm ready to start throwing chairs.
Seana
That's very interesting about the Random House sales Rep. I wonder how he or she could even bear to read page 1 of The Cold 6000. I think Blood's A Rover is dialled down a little bit but even so...
I'd also be interested in hearing with the Random House rep has to say about that crackpot letter from Mr Ellroy himself on the galley. Its one of the nuttiest things I've ever read.
I think the "c" word in the US is equivalent to "wanker" in the UK, as far as acceptance level in everyday speech, right? (If so, to anyone who's offended, sorry I used "wanker" in this post. It just happens to be one of my favorite words.)
Interesting. I would have thought "jagoff" was the equivalent to "wanker," considering their origins.
I did hear a comment along those lines, but I just realized that there is just whisper of a chance that it might get someone in trouble so I won't elaborate.
I liked that jacket letter, by the way. I thought it was very funny.
On a side note, I also remember a Lovecraftian short story by Robert Bloch, Notebook Found in a Deserted House, where a racial slur pops up in the chant of a cthulhu cultist for no reason I can fathom. Unless Bloch was trying to acknowledge Lovecraft's racist beliefs.
Growing up in India, we always said the rhyme like this: Eeeny, Meeny, Miny Moe / Catch a Nigger by his toe / If he cries, let him go / Eeeny Meeny, Miny, Moe.
It was only when I met Americans in college that I realised all of them had learned the variant with 'tiger' instead of 'nigger'. Wikipedia lists the 'nigger' version as a controversial variant of the 'tiger' original, but I have a feeling it's the other way round: 'tiger' was brought in as a bowdlerization of 'nigger'. Why? Among other reasons, because tigers don't have toes and don't cry, though of course nursery rhymes don't necessarily fit facts in such ways.
Funny thing is, Tarantino's Pulp Fiction is full of nigger references, like the hilarious "Is there a sign outside that says 'Dead Nigger Storage'? Yet, the 'nigger' version of Eeny Meeny was overdubbed in many US prints with the tiger variant, while leaving the other nigger references intact. I think that was silly because it's the one scene where 'nigger' is specifically used as a racist slur. It serves as a reminder of the terrible history of that word, even as we're encouraged to laugh at its use elsewhere in the movie.
Holden
Wanker is a great word to use. I remembering hearing it on Friends once. Its still a bit too naughty for a show on BBC 1 but it was charming the way they slipped it into the whitebread Friends
Dana
Jerkoff is probably the same though right?
Seana
I dont want to get the rep into trouble either so lets just leave it there.
I agree the Ellroy rant is quite funny as well as maybe slightly mad.
Matt
I did not know that Lovecraft was a racist. And there was me making a pilgrimage to his grave and everything.
And I used to play the Call of Cthulu RPG
Girish
I think you're right Tiger came after N*****. Its interesting that the Agatha Christie novel Ten Little Indians was orginally called Ten Little N******. I think the Little Indians title has also now been changed, to what I temporarily forget.
I liked Pulp Fiction but I hated that scene with Tarantino trying to outcool Samuel L Jackson with his "dead n***** storage" stuff.
I remember reading bell hooks's criticism of that scene and pretty much agreeing with it. I dont think it works at all. I think Tarantino has gotten away with his appropriation however and no one dares challenge him on it anymore.
Could be wrong, but I don't think Ellroy would disagree about the slightly mad part.
I was watching Simon Schama doing Vincent Van Gogh tonight, and I think it's the first I ever really heard Van Gogh from his own point of view. Makes me want to read his letters to his brother Theo. I think we forget that people who have mad spells may be more lucid than the rest of us in the intervening times. Hyperlucid, actually.
Dana, in re the c-word and its varying degrees of offensiveness, see the end of this entertaining discussion .
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It's giving matches to children to play with.
I've said before, I was too old for Pulp Fiction when it came out and I'd read too much Elmore Leonard and seen too many 70's movies about small-time criminals like Straight Time to take it seriously. Oh, and I hate that bullshit excuse, "You're not supposed to take it seriously. I found the whole movie to be all the "cool" stuff with the hard parts of putting a story together left out. Of course those twentysomething white kids were laughing at it, they also have popcorn for dinner and call it a proper meal.
The two biggest mistakes the Academy Awards ever made were not giving a trophy to Malcolm X and giving one to Pulp Fiction.
I have characters using the n-word in my new book. It's shown up once in a while in all my books, I think. I'm no James Ellroy, that's for sure, or no Elmore Leonard either, where it also shows up, but I've been in rooms where it's been used - by white guys and black guys - and it would be dishonest to leave it out. And I sweat about it everytime.
But the way it gets thrown around in Tarantino's kids' movies is children playing with matches. Pelecanos is right, it's bullshit.
(thanks for posting that Brian).
Adrian,
Yes, Jagoff, jerkoff, jackoff, all quite similar. I grew up in Western Pennsylvania, where jagoff has assumed a bit of a place of its own in the realm of dismissive terms, so that's the one that came to mind for me.
I just found out that Marjane Satrapi and James Ellroy are speaking at the Free Library of Philadelphia on consecutive evenings in three weeks, that both events are free, that I'm off both days, and that Eoin Colfer will speak here in October.
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Seana
Is this a new series of Schama or a repeat of the old one? I wonder if they're incorporating the news that Van Gogh did not in fact cut off his own ear, but faked it because Gaugin cut it off in a duel. He was mad but not THAT mad.
Peter
That reminds me of the James Kelman novel How Late It Was How Late. It won the Booker Prize and is full of the C word.
John
I liked Pulp Fiction A LOT more than you did. I enjoyed the energy of the opening scene and Travolta's entire performance and the stuff in the diner. I liked the structure too. It didnt feel like a cheat to me. For me the weak links were Tarantino's cameo which I just thought was ghastly (and he gives himself the most unpleasant lines in the film) and Uma Thurman who I've never found convincing in anything.
Dana
Wanker coupled with the hand gesture could get you in a fight in Glasgow but the C word will get you a hearty handshake.
Peter
I hope for Marjane's sake she's reading on a different night or has a minder.
Yeah, Call of Cthulhu was a gas; it was only a matter of time until your character wound up incurably insane in an asylum, or worse.
The Schama is a repeat from 2006, though I hadn't seen it. No update about Gauguin's part in the ear episode. I just Googled it and see some theories about it, but nothing confirmed. Have you?
Actually, though, that does tie into one of the things I found most interesting about the show, which was that Van Gogh eagerly awaited the visit by Gauguin because he envisioned a sort of community of artists, and, at least in my understanding, this anticipation inspired a great period of his painting. But Gauguin's arrival was actually a disaster. So whether or not Gauguin actually cut off his ear in a duel, it does seem to represent pretty well what was going on between them.
By the way, I actually meant sycophant, not psychophant. But thinking about it, I am not sure why.
Psychophant is a very cool word. And yes, Satrapi and Ellroy are reading on consecutive nights. I forget who reads first, but 24 hours ought to be sufficient time to clean up any mess between the two appearances.
Isn't Ellroy reading in Belfast and getting on stage with Stuart Neville? I imagine that such an event might be big for No Alibis and that Dave "Curly" Torrans might have to move that one off-site.
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Matt
Oh you always went mad. Unlike D&D there were few survivors in Cthulu.
Seana
Yeah I remember it now. That was a good episode. I wish Schama would do more of those, I enjoyed them all very much.
Peter
I imagine they will have to go elsewhere. The Ulster Hall would be good just round the corner. The IRA blew it up once which would appeal to JE I think.
Yes, the Schama shows are fun, though I'm only seeing them in a sort of hit or miss kind of way. I also like his writing a lot, though I haven't really made it through any of the long histories yet. But there was a nice little book that even slackers like me wouldn't find taxing called Dead Certainties: Unwarranted Speculations. I don't think I totally got his larger point back then, but the two historical tales he writes up are very lively. I'm kind of curious to read it again now and see if I grasp his bigger aims.
Also, back on John's point, I would think that sweating it a bit when you are writing this kind of language that may very well offend is probably one of the best ways of staying within the bounds--but not infallible.
Sorry to triple post here, but I just came across this article in my email, which seemed apropos to the actual topic.
Seana
Posted my Schama video on the post above just to confuse you.
One somewhat controversial use was in the X-Men comics, when Kitty Pryde used it. Of course you know mutants are hated feared etc. etc. She was a smart-mouthed teenage mutant, and there was a group (whites and black alike) intent on a hate crime, she interposed, one of them asked if she was a mutie, and she answered "gee, I don't know. Are you a nigger?"
In the context it works, but there was much complaining because mutants are an invented minorities and blacks a real one.
Chandler was racist and homophobe, but he had nothing on Fitzgerald. In Tender Is The Night both the blacks and the gays resemble some kind of weird science-fictional race, the spineless ones.
As for Lovecraft, noone is surprised you pilgrimaged to his tomb - but by the fact you missed the racist overtones in his work.
Some of them are not exactly subtle. Just look at his Wikipedia article.
Tiger should have come first. The Nursery Rhyme originated in England, and nigger is an American term.
Marco
Yeah I dont know how I missed that. Its not obvious in the RPG game.
That was what always made the X-Men, and the Marvel universe great, was their connection to 'real-world' issues and themes.
But I remember listening to a comic book podcast a couple of years ago where the host shot down the theory one Marvel writer put forth that the X-Men were Marvel's attempt to address the racism faced in America by African-Americans in the 1960s: "The X-Men are supposed to be like black folks? Really? You're white, you're good-looking, you live in a mansion, you have super-powers. Shut up."
That's a very good and funny point, the guy made, Matt.
Matt
Yeah I agree. Stan Lee wrote an editorial for the New York Times a few years ago talking about how Spiderman could be anyone cos his face is masked, thus his popularity among minorities. But hes not anybody is he? He's a white kid from Queens.
I also read some reference a couple of years ago to Ben Grim's having been Jewish -- know, the alien, outcast. Seemed to me to be a bit of forced seriousness, now that comic books were no longer comic books but graphic novels.
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But the "new" x-men were very ethnically diverse:Irish,Russian, German, Japanese... and Storm, who admittedly looked like a supermodel, was black.
They weren't all good-looking: NIghtcrawler, for example, looks like a demon, and barely escaped lynching in his youth.
More to the point, mutant weren't always so fortunate, and separatist/supremacist/terrorist groups called the x-men Uncle Toms and traitors to the race.
Ben Grimm is Jewish. No metaphor there.
I don't agree with your implied point, Peter. A comic needs not to be Sandman or Watchmen, but neither should it be only aimed at preteens. Nearly everywhere in the world, from Argentina to Europe to Japan, comics are mainly read in the High School-University age range. A little depth doesn't hurt.
I've been reading comic books and writing about them as recently as this week, and I haven't been a preteen in a long time. You say I don't take comics seriously, and I'll say, "Take a look at this, bub."
My problem is less with comics than with critics and commentators who seem dazzled by the new seriousness with which comics are taken and thus may themselves take them too seriously. You've heard of noveau-riches, who, inscure about their wealth, make too much of it? I think folks who discuss graphic novels can be nouveau serious.
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Peter, Marco,
This is like when Marco and I argued about Hiroshima, except this time I sort of understand what we're talking about.
It's not a point of "not taking comics seriously". I've read those posts. I'm among the people who suggested Watchmen and other comics to you in the first place, if you recall. But you also often commented how superhero comics seemed to have lost the innocence, bright colors and simplicity they had in your childhood. Now, there's nothing wrong with comics who are simpler or aimed at an younger age, but a lot of the audience for comics - and this is evident outside the US - is made up by high school or older types who may not necessarily look out for great literature, but certainly seek a bit of sophistication and real world seriousness along with their adventure.Now it's one thing to say comics shouldn't be dark brooding emo or take themselves too seriously, another that they shouldn't deal (hopefully not in a too didactic way) with serious themes like racism.
This is like when Marco and I argued about Hiroshima, except this time I sort of understand what we're talking about.
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