Friday, December 4, 2009

FIlms of the Decade

Following on from my books post last week, below I've listed my favourite films of the decade. I don't think it was a particularly good era for the movies. The Coens were off the boil, we no longer had Stanley Kubrick, some idiot reinvented torture porn and mindless blockbusters continued to dominate. Outside of Hollywood I think English and French art house films generally got overpraised out of sheer desperation (the Times puts the feeble Cache as their #1 film of the decade) and the explosion of Korean horror films didn't do much for me. Still, for what it's worth, these are my favourite films (not necessarily the best) of the noughties.

1. Mulholland Drive (2001) David Lynch
2. The Barbarian Invasions (2003) Denys Arcand
3. Grizzly Man (2005) Werner Herzog
4. In The Mood For Love (2000) Wong Kar Wai
5. Ghost Dog (2000) Jim Jarmusch
6. Shaun of the Dead (2004) Edgar Wright
7. Bloody Sunday (2002) Paul Greengrass.
8. Pan’s Labyrinth (2006) Guillermo del Toro
9. The Squid And The Whale (2005) Noah Baumbach
10. 24 Hour Party People (2002) Michael Winterbottom

103 comments:

seana said...

Good list. I haven't seen 2,3,7 or surprisingly 9, but I'd agree that the rest was very good. I can't think what else I'd put on my own, though I'm sure there would be a few. But I see what you mean, they were fun, but none give the sense of something really big and new, or even small and new coming out of the film tradition. Although actually, I feel like movies have slipped a notch even from here, or at least I haven't been going as much as I used to. Might just be me, though.

adrian.mckinty said...

Seana

I dont think it is you. I think they have slipped. If you look at the period 1970-1979 compared with 2000-2009 there's been a massive drop off in quality. Professional film reviewers are probably too inside to notice this and anyway part of their job is to act as boosters for the industry.

Rent Grizzly Man.

Brian O'Rourke said...

Nice list. A few I haven't seen, which I shall add to the Netflix queue.

Ummm, Cache? Seriously!?!

Speaking of the Times list, that was a good one too, but for different reasons. It was odd to see a film like Casino Royale (which was effing awesome) ranked higher than films like There Will Be Blood and Memento. And then to see Bourne Supremacy/Ultimatum come in at number 2, followed by Cache at number 1, you probably couldn't find two more different films.

Very, very strange. I wonder how they ranked these films.

adrian mckinty said...

Brian

I thought the stain on the wall in Cache was liberal guilt.

I agree about the Greengrass Bourne Films but dont you think Casino Royale went on way too long? Like 45 minutes too long? Thats why Gladiator didnt make my list either. Great opening, but all that yaketty yak between the senators...

Dana King said...

I have a creepy, deja vu feeling about this. Did you post this earlier? I can't find it in back issues, but I've seen this list before. I mean, I'm old, but that picture is memorable.

Liam Hoyle said...

It is a pretty good list. Shaun of the Dead is one of the best for sure, along with Children of Men and Lost in Translation. Bloody Sunday was absolutely the most maddening movie I've ever seen, but a good one nonetheless.

John McFetridge said...

These days a lot of things are making me feel old - falling asleep in the third period during Hockey Night in Canada, trying to remember where I left my keys, standing in bookstores wondering if I've read that book and on and on but nothing makes me feel old like the movies.

"Overpraised out of sheer desperation." That may be the defining phrase of the decade.

It seems to me there's a small market for good movies not being served because all movies want to be blockbusters, they all want to be that indie hit that got Oscar nominations.

We'll really see the sad condisiotn of the movie business when you list your top ten TV shows of the decade.

Matt said...

Yeah, there were a few gems, but I don't think the 00s compares to the 90s when it comes to film. One film I might put on my top 10 list for the decade is Zodiac.

seana said...

Dana, he did post it before, which is why my comment is earlier than all the rest of yours, not because I'm prescient. Google ate it for awhile and now has apparently disgorged it again.

I'll rent Grizzly Man. I just thought it might be too sad.

Fantastic Mr. Fox, which they made out of the Roald Dahl book, though a kid's movie, is supposed to be very good.

marco said...

From the Grizzly Man Wikipedia page:


Charlie Russell, who has studied bears for 42 years, lived with them and raised them for a decade in Kamchatka, and corresponded with Timothy Treadwell, wrote of Herzog:

"Herzog is a skillful filmmaker so a large percentage of those who watch the movie Grizzly Man, overlook Timothy's amazing way with animals even though to me this stands out very strongly. The fact that Timothy spent an incredible 35,000 hours, spanning 13 years, living with the bears in Katmai National Park, without any previous mishap, escapes people completely. Even with his city-kid background, I found myself mesmerized by what he could do with animals. Most people now see him only the way Herzog skillfully wanted his audience to see him; as an idiot who continually "crossed nature's line," what ever that means. Perhaps, in his mind, nature’s line is something behind which bears and other nasty things reside who will inevitably kill you if you go there without a gun. He takes everything Timothy stood for and turned it 180°, the result which he then weaves into his own unsophisticated agenda."[5]

It's all part of the plot against the bears.

marco said...

Like in that Simpson episode.

seana said...

Uh oh. Bear lover versus Herzog lover. This could be a fight to the death.

John McFetridge said...

Wasn't, "The Plot Against the Bears" an early John Irving novel?

marco said...

Apparently the Irving novel was titled "Setting free the bears".


"The plot against the bears" was an alternate history baseball novel by Philip Roth set in Chicago.

Or possibly an historical baseball novel by an alternate Philip Roth.

I sometimes get confused with all those alternate realities out there.

adrian.mckinty said...

Dana

Yeah Google ate this and a few other posts. They were unretrievable until someone told me on a help page that I had to invent a new log-in name and invite myself to become an editor. Then I could edit the posts under the new name. Its so silly, but it works. Seana is psychic though.

adrian.mckinty said...

Liam

Bloody Sunday is a big kick in the teeth isnt it?

I still havent seen United 93 because I know it would upset me too much.

adrian.mckinty said...

John

Yeah well I dont blame the reviewers. Their job is to get some excitement going about the film industry, but it then becomes hard to find a really good film.

Roger Ebert gives out an awful lot of four star reviews every year. Almost one a week in fact.

marco said...

Of course in the alternate universe the Chiacgo Bears are a baseball team and the Chicago Cubs play American Football.

adrian.mckinty said...

Matt

The 90's was pretty good. In Holywood alone we had Robert Altman, Stanley Kubrick, The Coens, Quentin Tarantino, Clint Eastwood, Scorsese all doing good work.

adrian.mckinty said...

Seana

I think I'm more of a Wild Things than a Mr Fox guy. I like the book, but Wes Anderson seems to only make films for Brooklyn hipsters now. I think he might need to spend a decade or so getting some life experience.

adrian.mckinty said...

Marco

He was killed and eaten by grizzly bears - enough said I would have thought.

Werner's narration BTW - brilliant.

adrian.mckinty said...

Marco

Setting Free Da Bears would be an American football novel about the early years of the NFL.

adrian.mckinty said...

Marco

There have been rather a lot of those alternate realties havent there? I remember when Fatherland came out and the Daily Mail etc. praised it as highly original.

marco said...

He was killed and eaten by grizzly bears - enough said I would have thought.

The Morans were killed by Australians! Your life is in danger!

marco said...

Canadians, on the other hand, enjoy suspiciously strolling with flashlights.

adrian.mckinty said...

Marco

My life IS in danger. I reckon I have almost no choice of getting out of this century alive.

seana said...

Jacques Barzun could probably write a good alternative history if he felt like it
(she said, trying desperately to steer the conversation away from bears)

Malachy Walsh said...

I haven't seen enough - clearly. But certainly there are a couple of movies that impressed me that are not on your list - "Maria Full of Grace", "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind," "Crash," "Memento," and "Being John Malkovich." I also got a real kick out of "Sexy Beast" even with its uneven story structure.

I think Eternal Sunshine and the Malkovich movies suggest a new direction for movies ---

adrian.mckinty said...

Mal

Being John M was a '99 movie so I couldnt include it. I didnt love Eternal Sunshine as much as everyone else. I find Jim Carey intensely annoying in everything he's in. His presence in anything just ruins it for me I'm afraid.

I'll go along with Maria and Sexy Beast though.

Malachy Walsh said...

Oh, for some reason, I thought Malkovich was '00, but I'm definitely challenged by dates and times, as my wife can attest.

The best thing about your list is that I haven't seen quite a few of the films - and discovery is such a great thing.

Thanks, sir.

Dana King said...

Seana and Adrian,
Thanks for clearing that up. I'm just old enough for that to have been scary.

Malachy Walsh said...

Oh, and one other thing... I actually didn't like the Malkovich film all that much. I found it deeply depressing in a way that wasn't cathartic or liberating for me (by contrast, for instance, 5 Easy Pieces is quite a downer too, but it was also clarifying for me... well, I can't deny its power). Still, the movie's final images stick with me and the director is clearly someone with a fresh vision. Same goes for Gondry.

adrian mckinty said...

Dana

No worries mate.

adrian mckinty said...

Mal

Funny thing about Malkovich. I had almost the same reaction as you.

I ADMIRED the film but I didnt love it. It was like watching someone do something technically difficult, but not something you are particularly interested in yourself.

I think Gondry's music video work is actually far superior to what he does in films.

John McFetridge said...

Yeah, like figure skating.

seana said...

Dana, I think you're pretty luck we didn't go the other route and psyche you out. Because you know we both could have gone the other way about it.

adrian mckinty said...

John

Or juggling chain saws. Or in fact juggling anything.

adrian mckinty said...

Seana

Oh man we should have sussed that out before hand could have been a classic.

seana said...

Lost opportunity. But then, Dana probably wasn't the right target.

Brian O'Rourke said...

Mal and Adrian -

Did not like Being John Malkovich (is there a single likeable character in the movie?), but I absolutely love Eternal Sunshine and Adaptation. That part in Adaptation where Robert McKee is yelling at his audience of wannabe screenwriters, "don't ever use voiceover narration!!!" and then it cuts to Nic Cage walking the streets without the voiceover is brilliant.

re: Casino Royale - I know this is sacrilegious, but it might just be my favorite Bond film...

adrian mckinty said...

Brian

Better than Goldfinger? Come on!

Pussy: I'm Pussy Galore.
Bond: Of course you are.

Brian O'Rourke said...

Adrian -

Alright, man, you got me. Not better than Goldfinger. CR makes a strong case for #2 though.

Peter Rozovsky said...

Speaking of Hockey Night in Canada, did you know that Dick Irvin was still alive?

Some American network picked up CBC programming of the Habs' 100th-anniversary game tonight, including a rinkside intervieqw with Guy Lafleur, Patrick Roy and Ken Dryden. Roy was the star. He spoke more openly and critically than any American would.
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seana said...

Adrian, I believe that you will spring that particular exchange at the the least possible excuse.

I'm not sure if you can really compare the new Casino Royale and any of the old James Bond movies. There is such a difference in tone. Sean Connery is very tongue in cheek and Daniel Craig isn't.

I wasn't crazy about Casino Royale, Brian. It seemed very earnest and grim, like it was trying to be another Bourne Identity, a la Matt Damon.

However, this does dovetail very neatly into my latest book blog post.

genevieve said...

BJMalkovich 1999???? WHERE has my last decade gone? OW. So when I first saw that film, my son was ten. NOOOOOOO.

Girish Shahane said...

Good list; I'd put Sideways there instead of something like Lost in Translation. No Country for Old Men isn't my favourite Coen brothers film, but I'd have to have a film by them in the top 10, so that would be my choice over something Like Juno, mainly because the music bits in Juno sucked big time.

adrian mckinty said...

Peter

Do Canadians watch or play field hockey? You would have thought they would clean up at the olympics.

adrian mckinty said...

Seana

For my Casino Royale started off really well but the longer it went on my interest level flagged.

Bonds I'd go: Connery, Brosnan, Lazenby, Craig, Moore.

adrian mckinty said...

Gen

Yup 1o years just like that. Next time you blink you'll be dead and me too. Cheery thought aint it?

adrian mckinty said...

Girish

I liked both Sideways and No Country but I wouldnt kick anything out for them. However the more I think about Day Lewis's peformance in There Will Be BLood the more I want that to sneak in there somehow.

Peter Rozovsky said...

I don't know that field hockey is much played in Canada. In the U.S., at least, few, if any, men seem to play it. It's mostly a high school sport for girls, I think.

I could never understand a) why they make girls wear skirts to play, and b) why the sticks are so short.

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seana said...

I was going to say, wait a minute, how can there be a verification word (though 'boaring' is a very good one), because I thought Adrian turned his off. But no, here they are again. What's up?

I have to confess that I was watching Casino Royale on television and actually turned it off after awhile. It wasn't really my kind of thing. too humorless. I'd say Connery was far and the way the best--the rest merge together in my mind, except for Craig who plays it so differently.

adrian mckinty said...

Peter

I wonder if its played in NZ? I'd love to see the NZ field hockey team haka.

adrian mckinty said...

Seana

Too much anon spam.

Lazenby is underrated.

seana said...

I still keep connected to the blog of of the poet Reginald Shepherd, even though he died over a year ago. Partly it seems weird to erase it, partly his partner sometimes posts updates there, and partly I misguidedly think I am going to go back and read his older posts, as they are quite interesting.
This morning I had fifteen pieces of spam email because some spammer had gone through and hit all the old entries with some crap which I didn't even bother to open. For some reason, this bugs me more than the spamming of the living. I don't know why. It certainly isn't bothering poor Reginald now.

Sheiler said...

Adrian, a muscular list. I can't wait to see some of them...I live behind the times where I wait for dvd releases so that I can watch the movies in my house where I can eat ice cream, pet my dog, drink water, and do the occasional work out with 6 pound weights.

I know you have a problem with Almodovar, but could it be that you only saw his early films? I will admit Women on the Verge of a Nervous breakdown was very red, what with the gazpacho, the drag queens, and the ... color red. Very silly. But Talk to Her is like gorgeous and meaningful and a great story. His filmmaking and finding his voice as a filmmaker reminds me of transvestites. They go all out when they first get into trying to pass as the official other gender, and then mellow out as time goes by to get the look/walk/talk just right.

Also, it is my firm but unfounded belief that all of your anonymous commenters are actually Bono.

adrian mckinty said...

Seana

Its a real shame. I loved not having a v word, but it was either get rid of that or Anonymous comments and I like having the option.

adrian mckinty said...

Sheiler

Very astute drag queen analogy. Those early Almodovars really are very off putting for a repressed Presbyterian from Ulster. And they're a bit dull.

I may watch the later ones for Penelope Cruise. I've heard good things about Talk To Her and Volver.

Brian O'Rourke said...

Seana,

You're right about CR - I remember reading somewhere they used a lot of the same stunt people and/or choreographers from one of the Bourne movies for CR, because that's the aesthetic they were going for.

Though, the grimness of CR was one of the things I enjoyed about it. Brosnan was a good Bond, but his films were too over-the-top (not his fault at all), and watching Roger Moore's films now, I cringe whenever I see him karate-chopping an adversary.

I haven't read any of Fleming's books, but I heard that Craig's Bond is the closest thing to Fleming's Bond: cold, brutal, and somewhat ironic.

marco said...

It's amazingly how the repressed Presbyterians from Ulster don't seem to be put off by books and movies featuring hot lesbian sex.


v-word: hurlit

John McFetridge said...

Marco you make an interesting point. I have enough Protestant roots in Ulster to investigate this further.

And if it means watching Julianne Moore movies, I'll have to take one for the team.

Sheiler said...

Self-serving OT request:

My partner and I have a short (under 3min) film called Professor Blue. We posted it online for a telus film contest. I think that the entry with the most stars/ratings wins for the month. We are trying to make a splash with the character to entice children to go into science, unlike me who avoided it like the plague.

If any of you have some time to kill and are inclined towards this ginning up of votes, go here --

http://www.shortsnonstop.com/video_view.php?videoId=3032

And then click on the stars to the right of the film to place your vote.

And if you'd rather I not ride on your coat-tails Adrian, well it's perfectly ok to bump out this comment.

Love,
Bono

John McFetridge said...

Hey Sheiler,
Did you go to the CFC? I'm a graduate myself...

Sheiler said...

John -

Not sure what that is but I'm guessing it's a Canadian school? I went to Naropa for the writing. I came *this* close to having Adrian as one of my writing teachers (he came a year later).

I have no film experience other than the Professor Blue...experience.

People tell me I look good in blue wigs.

John McFetridge said...

The site the film is on is hosted by the Canadian Film Centre, started as a way to showcase short films by their graduates. I'm glad they've opened it up to everyone.

And yes, you look fine in blue. I also like the glasses.

Sheiler said...

John,

Er yes, CFC. Right, that CFC. Check.

You're a filmmaker? Are you situated in Canada? Or as my family says, Canadia?

adrian.mckinty said...

Sheiler

Dont mind in the least.

Coat-tails though, you must have mistaken me for someone else.

Very nice film. Watched it, rated it. Thought it was Newburyport for a bit there but its not. I too dig the glasses.

adrian.mckinty said...

John

My serious education began with The Hunger. Catherine Deneuve and Susan Sarandon. As a New York cabbie from the 1930's would say: "two classy broads right there."

adrian.mckinty said...

Marco

Yeah you could be on to something.

Incidentially a film which nearly made my list was Y Tu Mama Tambien with Gael Garcia Bernal, who has been confusing straight boys with his good looks ever since.

adrian.mckinty said...

Brian

The Roger Moore films, yikes. Apart from Live and Let Die I think they're all just cheesy period pieces. Almost unwatchable.

Peter Rozovsky said...

"Or as my family says, Canadia?"

I had a housemate who used to say, "Canadia." He thought this quite clever.

V-word: vitro

Sheiler said...

Adrian,

You're close. Parts were filmed in Gloucester, part in Hull, part in the Laurentians where the partner and I live.

Peter, my American from the US family thinks Canadia is continually hilarious. I myself have once referred to the Laurentian mountains as the Larry mountains, but thank goodness I caught myself while around the siblings. I mentioned it to a grad student who was riding with me to Montreal. She was from India and didn't get much by way of play on words. You think my secret is still safe?

Also, I just re-watched REDS which stars a certain Woody Allen standby..Diane Keaton. I love this film, though I'd forgotten about it, and found Keaton's acting great.

adrian.mckinty said...

Sheiler

I like Gloucester a lot. In fact I think Cape Anne in general is a great place. Except maybe Marblehead where I'm pretty sure undercover cops follow around black people.

Sheiler said...

Adrian,

It's funny but I know nothing about Marblehead, though it's on the way to Gloucester, which is where I lived for a time.

Brookline, a town on the border of Boston, had a well-deserved rep of a cops following black people kind of place in 1980s-90s. Not sure that that's still true. Now you're not allowed to park on the streets. As a professional couch surfer in the Boston area, this makes my life tough.

Peter Rozovsky said...

It is said that Brookline's no-overnight-parking rules are designed to keep the promiscuous riff-raff from Brighton out.

Peter Rozovsky said...

Sheiler: Ste.-Adele! St.-Jerome! Val David! Val Morin! Ste.-Agathe! Doesn't exactly have the ring of an old railroad song, but it does bring back memories of my youth.

I saw Reds on its original release, and I thought it was shite -- a routine love story with political window dressing thrown in for gravitas - and yeah, I know it was supposed to be based on John Reed's book, Four Hours That Shook My Wallet. The celebrity commenters were a grating idea, but Henry Miller said some good stuff. Warren Beatty is the intellectual father of Bono and George Clooney.
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seana said...

As to that last, Peter, I agree.

adrian.mckinty said...

Peter

I think you should expand that into a blog post. I find that I cant disagree with one caveat: I havent seen Reds. However I do remember seeing John Reed's grave in the Kremlin wall. Also I dont think there's a single Warren Beatty that I'd want to see twice. (and that includes Bonnie and Clyde).

Sheiler said...

Oh I loved Reds.

But then again I must be riff raff from Brighton.

adrian mckinty said...

Warren Beatty's IMDB page is interesting. What has he been doing for the last 10 years?

adrian mckinty said...

Sheiler

Drive around Marblehead for five minutes if you wanna really fell like riff raff. I'm sure they'd give the Queen a hard time for having sold her yacht.

marco said...

Sheiler

You do look good in a blue wig, but the video continued to start and stop. I gave you five stars on trust.

Peter Rozovsky said...

Seana, there was some noise years ago about Warren Beatty running for president. I have read that since then, he has preferred to keep his political activity behind the scenes, for which i give him credit.
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Uriah Robinson said...

Cache, number one! My wife and I watched this film with a group of pensioners during a wet afternoon, we would have walked out but everyone else in the row had fallen asleep, or died of boredom.
Some of them did not even notice the suicide! The most pathetic film I have ever seen and the theme was put over with all the subtlety of a charging rhinoceros.
The Lives of Others, Romanzo Criminale, The Constant Gardener and Body of Lies all infinitely better than Cache

Sheiler said...

Marco,

I really appreciate the vote. Thanks for your trust in me as a blue-wigged pretend scientist.

If you're really interested, you might be able to see something on our website professorblue.com, but be warned. It's really haphazardly put together ... to emulate what some leotard thinks might appeal to children. We are in the process of making it look better and still taste great.

Sheiler said...

Adrian,

I drove through a starter snowstorm today in Vermont, and so my car, now in Boston (with surprising sun on the day's docket), looks like a sugar coated mini-wheat.

Plus the muffler's sound has been known to motivate certain kinds of people to put small, rectangular tobacco objects up their T-shirt sleeves.

Therein lumping me in with the Queen.

adrian mckinty said...

Uriah

Cache was piss poor. You'd have to be Helen Keller not to see that ending coming and she would have got it because she was no dummy.

adrian mckinty said...

Sheiler

75 degrees and pleasant here.

seana said...

Sheiler, I really wish I could see the movie, but I can't view it at the moment. How long is the voting period? That might actually motivate me to do something about the sad state of my computer's capabilities.

Sheiler said...

Seana,

Thanks - it's not clear the end date other than Jan 15th being the new deadline for the next contest. Don't sweat it because if you're computer won't let you see the video then you might need to upgrade your processing speed which means, maybe?, new computer. But that's just a rumor.

marco said...

Best list ever

seana said...

Excellent, Marco. I liked Champion's sidebar on Books to Jump Up and Down Over too.

seana said...

Oh, just came across one local film critics best films of 2009 here.
(It's just under the picture of the train. The rest is mostly local stuff, but Robin Williams haters might enjoy the diatribe against his latest comedy performance right below.)

The odd thing is that I haven't seen any of the movies listed, which just goes to show how sadly out of touch with movie-going I am these days.

John McFetridge said...

I haven't read the list Saena attatched, bu I will say that when I saw the ads for Old Dogs I thought it was from a movie-within-a-movie that we were expected to be making fun of, and the movie itself was going to be a story of some movie stars down on their luck and that trailer was an example of how far they'd sunk.

adrian mckinty said...

Marco

Good listage as the Captain of the Titanic once said.

And speaking of the Titanic why in the movie are there no Belfast accents when the designer etc were all from Norn Irn?

adrian mckinty said...

Seana

Yes I did enjoy that Robin Williams hatefest. Thank you for that. I dont really know why but he has always rubbed me the wrong way that chap.

adrian mckinty said...

John

I havent heard of that but it sounds ghastly.

As ghastly as Patch Adams, What Dreams May Come, Millenium Man? Who knows - there's a lot of competition for most nauseating RW film.

John McFetridge said...

Have a look at this Adrian:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1am4GsmIrO8

And there's even an Australian connection at the end.

(there are worse commercials for this movie that actually involve John Travolta and food, but no one should see that)

seana said...

I don't think I would want to be a comedian with a long career, somehow. Especially an initially slightly manic one. Hard to sustain that energy and buoyancy through the decades.

adrian mckinty said...

John

That looks bloody orrible. Now I know what they'll show me at Guantanamo Bay.

adrian mckinty said...

Seana

Its not a profession I would enjoy. Terror and shame are not my favourite incentives.

Sheiler said...

I dream of being a stand up comedian / comedienne, but just don't have the nerve.

seana said...

Sheiler, I think you probably better figure out how to find the nerve, then.

It doesn't have to start big, you know. You could offer to MC a local event for charity, join an improv class--you know, stuff like that. Your guest appearance on the David Letterman show doesn't come till much later, so relax.