Thursday, January 7, 2010

The Pacific

Filmed mostly here in Melbourne and further up on the Queensland Coast Tom Hanks and Steven Spielberg's The Pacific will attempt to do for a platoon of marines what the excellent Band of Brothers did for the 101st Airborne in World War 2, i.e. tell their story from the beginning right through to the end of the War. The trailer has an interesting vibe of Terrence Malick's The Thin Red Line about it, which I thought was better by a long way than Spielberg's own Saving Private Ryan. A combination of TTRL and Band of Brothers could be really good. They've been showing longer previews of this series here in Australia but the only one I could find online is the HBO one on YouTube.

49 comments:

Matt said...

I took endless abuse from friends ten years ago when I fell into the TTRL fan club while they all gave Saving Private Ryan their stamp of approval.

What's interesting is when you watch the credits for TTRL - you see an endless list of actors, Viggo Mortensen, Billy Bob Thornton, Mickey Rourke, among others who apparently shot hours of footage which never appeared in the final cut. Always hope for the DVD I guess.

The Pacific theatre has been shortchanged as far as WWII movies go. I liked Band of Brothers quite a bit, although I don't think watching it will extend your lifespan as some of my friends do. I remember reading a debate between Oliver Stone and a historian about the merits of Ambrose's work. I think it was in a book about the authenticity of historical films - Stone, unsurprisingly, didn't think Ambrose was all he was cracked up to be, and to be honest I found myself agreeing with some of that Stone said. I agree, hopefully The Pacific will have more than a bit of Malick.

HoldenCaufield said...

Looks pretty good. My better half is a huge WW2 buff and will be very excited about this -- he loves Band of Brothers and TTRL. I'm a little skeptical about Spielberg but will hold off on any judgment until I see the series.

adrian mckinty said...

Matt

SPR was spoiled not just by the sentimental bookends but also by the silly story. Good visuals and camera work and acting but the screenplay was like a B picture from 1951.

TTRL gets better with every passing year. Great visuals and a great central story. I remember watching Ebert complain that soldiers dont philosophise like that. I think thats a common misconception of elites. My little bro who's been in two actual shooting wars always talks to me about how smart, thoughtful and professional the people he works with were. Even conscripts can have existential crises especially when people are dying all around them.

adrian mckinty said...

Holden

It'll be nice to see the Pacific theatre get the treatment it deserves.

When John Wayne showed Sands of Iwo Jima to the marines he was booed. And although Eastwood did his best I dont think Flags is a particularly good film.

It will be interesting to see how this comes off. The 5 minute trailer I saw here has a worrying amount of home front/Dear John stuff that makes me a bit nervous.

Matt said...

One John Wayne/WWII film which still holds up for me is They Were Expendable. Wayne's the second lead after Robert Montgomery, some of John Ford's best work.

adrian mckinty said...

Mstt

Havent seen it. I like The Quiet Man though.

Going back to Mickey Rourke I remember reading an interview with him before his current comeback where he said that the stuff he did on The Thin Red Line was far and away the best stuff he had ever done in his career.

seana said...

One of the men who leads this discussion group I go to on Mondays was a friend of Malick's at Harvard. I am trying to dredge up the story of what happened to him that took him down the road from Harvard summa cum laude in philosophy to Hollywood director. I see on Wikipedia that Oxford did not agree with him as well as it did with you, Adrian, but I really don't remember the other details of his story that my friend related.

I didn't see Thin Red Line, but of all the war movies, that would be the one I would want to see .

adrian mckinty said...

Seana

What happened to him at Oxford?

I like TTRL very much. In a lot of ways it simply follows the book.

Days of Heaven and Badlands stand up very well too. I was a little disappointed with The New World but I still liked it. Its easy to square my taste in films like The New World or The Passenger or L'Avventura or The Draughtsmans Contract with my hatred of Avatar which also is slow moving. The difference is that those are good films and Avatar isnt.

seana said...

Well, the Oxford part is easily available on Wikipedia--that's not the story I have a vague memory of. But basically, he fell out with his thesis advisor Gilbert Ryle over a thesis about the concept of the world in Kierkegaard, Heidegger and Wittgenstein and left without getting his doctorate.

I liked New World quite a bit--it was ambitious in the right way. I always like people retelling stories we blithely think we know and showing us that we don't because we haven't actually thought about it at all.

I liked The Draughtsman's Contract too, though it has been ages since I saw it.

Haven't seen the others, I don't think.

I just watched The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen on television the other night and thought it was abominable. A friend at work told me that I should have just stuck to the graphic novel, but I think I may have wrecked that for myself too.

John McFetridge said...

It's great to see HBO still spending this kind of money on this kind of project.

The trailer is good. I don't mind the homefront/Dear John stuff so much.

My father-in-law spent the war mostly in what we used to call Burma wth the RCAF. Often Canadians and Australians and other colonials got sent in first, cannon-fodder and all that, though it doesn't often make it into the movies (although it used to be common in Hollywood war movies that some star played a Canadian so they could get him in the action before the US actually joined).

When we try and do it ourselves it's usually too earnest and too depressing to get much audience. Even I couldn't bring myself to go see Paschendale.

Sheiler said...

Uncharacteristically off-topic, I was on another blog that was dissing Bono and recommended your blog, Adrian, to the masses. The blog is Balloon Juice, by the way.

I'm not letting you know this so that I can collect more Adrian McKinty green stamps, but thought you might want to know what the deal is if you start getting an influx of reader peeps. I think that's the technical term.

adrian mckinty said...

Seana

Well I was lucky enough to read League before seeing the film so it wasnt ruined. League II is actually better I think so you could start with that.

I think its lucky for us that Malick went into movies not philosophy. And lucky too that he came back after twenty years of silence.

adrian mckinty said...

John

I'm not a fan of WWI movies either. Whats the point? Its just a big, pointless slaughter. We all get it - the soldiers were naive but brave and the generals callous and unimaginative.

The Somme is the one that gets remembered in Northern Ireland. The Ulster Division was completely slaughtered on day 1 of the battle.

adrian mckinty said...

Sheiler

The NYT had a Q&A yesterday with one of its senior editors. I wrote in asking why they didnt allow comments anymore on Bono's editorials. My comment was not used.

Matt said...

Speaking of comics, Garth Ennis is continuing a sublime war series, Battlefields. He did a terrific job with War Stories for Vertigo, worth picking up, and this is even better. I've scoured the internet for sample issues, but can up empty.

A couple of samples though:

http://downloadablesuicide.com/2009/10/01/garth-ennis-battlefields-the-tankies/

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=1947

Sheiler said...

Adrian,

I think they decided not to touch your question since there seem to be a lot of people who really don't like Bono (other than the lot of people who really do).

Liam Hoyle said...

I liked Saving Private Ryan, so much that I seem to watch just about every time it's on. The acting, the writing, the action were all great I thought. And Upum's redeeming himself at the end is pretty priceless.

The Pacific should be good, looks good. I'm acutally pretty psyched about the new Spartacus series starting this month on the Starz network. HBO tends to make really good series, namely Oz and Rome.

seana said...

It's sort of hazily coming back to me that what our discussion leader was talking about was that 20 year silence. This all came up right before the New World came out and my very shaky recall on this was that either this or Thin Red Line put Malick in some sort of crisis. I get the sense that he's the kind of director that puts his lifeblood into a project, so you can see how it might be at some personal psychic risk.

I liked All Quiet on the Western Front when I read it in high school. And Vera Brittain's memoir about her early life, which was not as a soldier but as a wartime nurse and an Oxford friend of many of the brilliant but doomed young men who went, is supposed to have made a very involving Masterpiece Theater series. I read it but didn't see it.

I also liked the book A Very Long Engagement. The movie was faithful, but somehow didn't quite capture its essence.

adrian mckinty said...

Liam

Man I gotta disagree with you about Saving PR. All that blubbering in the cemetery at the start and the end completely ruined it for me. A little sentimentality goes a long way.

I also wasnt impressed with the lact two thirds of the picture. They find Ryan - mission over. Oh he wants to stay and fight the SS. Tough. Its war son and there's this thing called the chain of command, you're coming with us.

Withdraw from the town blow up the bridge and you get the same result with zero deaths.

Yes the stuff with Uppum was good.

adrian mckinty said...

Seana

Re Dogfish from the other post. I just got a nice six pack of their IPA. Truly outstanding stuff. Perfect with any kind of rich food.

I think the silence came between Days of Heaven and TTRL. I'm not at all sure what it was all about. Days of Heaven is one of the few films where I like Richard Gere.

adrian mckinty said...

Matt

Garth Ennis is good.

Hey did you ever read Mark Millar's Superman Red Son? I love the concept, but the story could have been slightly more focused.

adrian mckinty said...

Sheiler

I think they think Bono is cool and down with the kids. I really believe thats their take.

seana said...

I will look for Dogfish in the future, but I am going to look closer to home for Uncommon Brewery's stuff. I am curious about their redwood ale, and even more so about their bacon ale.

I had some bacon ice cream last year, and have to say that despite my skepticism, it was very, very good.

John McFetridge said...

Apparently 2010 will be the year of bacon.

Mill Street Brewery in Toronto has a pretty good coffee beer.

seana said...

Coffee beer, though intriguing, sounds a bit at cross purposes with itself. But then, so does Irish coffee and that works.

Although it occurs to me, somewhat belatedly, that Irish coffee may be a kind of slur.

Liam Hoyle said...

Yeah, there was a little too much blubbering in cemetery, I'll agree with that. Ryan didn't wanna follow the chain of command, but somehow Tom Hanks' guys are got really cool with it really quick. Maybe it was the Edith Piaff that swooned them into submission.

adrian mckinty said...

Seana

I tried Chilli ice cream for the first time last year and that works a treat.

adrian mckinty said...

John

The year of bacon? Finally something I can get behind.

adrian mckinty said...

Liam

Would have been possible to have a movie at the same pitch as the first twenty five minutes of SPR?

Admittedly probably not, but still you have done a better job with the story.

Liam Hoyle said...

Speaking of better job with the story, the wife and I were out getting some groceries and came across the movie 50 Dead Men Walking. It's about this guy who's approached by British Intelligence to go undercover in the IRA and mayhem and carnage insue. Sound like anything you know?

Either the writer doesn't do much reading, or they totally stole your story hoping no one would recognize it.

adrian mckinty said...

Liam

Aye but then you could accuse me of stealing from Liam OFlaherty's 1920's novel The Informer. So these things go around and come around you know?

I just wish somebody somewhere somehow would see the potential of Dead I Well May Be as a film. But apparently not.

Liam Hoyle said...

Y'know, before I knew you and DIWMB was probably my favorite book, I found on that web that is was going to be made into a movie. But then all the sudden, it wasn't. I know that had to be a huge letdown. Somebody saw the potential, but then I guess they took and fell flat on their face. I have to tell you that I was disappointed, so I know you were.

adrian mckinty said...

Liam

Gutted mate, gutted. A movie would have changed everything. Now DIWMB isnt even in print and I cant get a publisher for my new stuff. It really sucks.

seana said...

Adrian, is the story still optioned or are you free to do what you want with it, moviewise? Because if it's not too entangled, I still think there's a lot of hope for a movie coming out of this. And it would be a great one in the right hands.

Liam Hoyle said...

Are you still Bob? Surely he has his publishers. Is this for the Dark Energy story?

adrian mckinty said...

Liam

Nope Dark Energy is in the can, but I just got a big thumbs down about another idea from a couple of presses. They liked the idea (or so they said) but the sales numbers for Fifty Grand were so poor they saw me as a bad investment.

adrian mckinty said...

Seana

They have until, I think, May but nothing is going to happen.

seana said...

Probably not before May, no. But DIWMB is perfect for film treatment, so don't give up hope. Well, actually it probably is just as well if you do, because of the vagaries of the film industry, but I still think it will be filmed some day.

Liam Hoyle said...

Surely there's another press who's interested. It may not be the big dogs for now, but somebody will want to put your stuff out there. What's the new gig about?

adrian mckinty said...

Liam

Its out with a couple of small presses but no replies yet.

Cant really talk about the idea but I thought it was a good one.

I wish it was the 80's when publishers and editors still took chances and didnt mind if a book or two lost money on their list. Now everyone plays everything safe.

Liam Hoyle said...

Yeah, the industry is tough. I've gotten the burnout from it a couple of times. Well, I know your stuff is going to get picked up so I'll look forward to reading it when it comes out.

adrian mckinty said...

Liam

It might be a long, long wait.

Liam Hoyle said...

Well, by this spring I'll have my first publishing gig. The first chapter of my newest crime novel will in the #42 issue of Hardboiled crime magazine. It's not huge, but it's a start. The chapter is on my blog if you get a minute and wanna take a peek.

I really do look forward to your next book. I know I've told you about 50 times before, but DIWMB is whole reason I'm writing crime now.

Matt said...

When DIWMB does hit again, plenty of people will be waiting. I grab every
used copy I can, in the meantime.

Also, details on The Pacific:
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/43640

adrian mckinty said...

Matt

Might be a smart move. Some dude is selling new paperbacks on Amazon for 45 dollars. Kinda wish I'd thought of that when I had a box or two lying around.

seana said...

I've never even heard of A.A. Gill before this mention. Seems I wasn't missing much.

No, I'll read through to the end. It isn't boring, just perplexing. By the way, the reading group is liking it from what I've heard so far. I really hope I don't end up in the position of being the lone detractor. Although judging by this post, I guess you know what that feels like.

seana said...

Uh, I ended up on the wrong thread. But while I'm here, I'll say that hoarding those DIWMB seems like a good idea, but on the other hand, I kind of think it's better if they're out there in the world circulating.

Not lending out my signed copy though.

adrian mckinty said...

Seana

What a schmuck. I had a box of 20 that I gave away when I moved from Denver. 1000 bucks right there.

seana said...

No, if they were just going to sit in some storage shed in Denver, they are probably doing you more good out in the world.