Tuesday, November 30, 2010

Happy St Andrews Day

I know I posted this last year but I love this clip, especially the opening sentence.

40 comments:

Frankie said...

The dystopian architects who design these concrete hell holes should be made to live in their own work. Your built environment is everything to how you feel about your life and the world.

As a kind of 'Celeb get me out of here' social experiment you could put the architects, council town planners and the special few who hold all the wealth in Scotland. Put them in a high rise dump. Feed them a diet of fried food, cigarettes & alcohol, maybe throw in a few jellys then see how violent they end up.

adrian said...

Frankie

People like Le Corbusier don't understand that humans are biophilic and need grass, water, fauna and vistas, not concrete everywhere.

Frankie said...

I didn't mean to stereotype the Scots with the fried food thing- i'm sure they eat or have at least thought about eating salad.

adrian said...

Frankie

I've been in Glasgow on a Saturday night and the salads were few and far between I can tell you.

rob.james said...

Glasgow Salad = Chips (c) Viz

Peter Rozovsky said...

Is there a St. George's Day?

Adrian if you hate Le Corbusier for being biophobic, you probably love Frank Lloyd Wright. Too bad Fallingwater is falling apart.

adrian said...

Rob

Ahhh Viz where would I be without your Top Tips...

adrian said...

Peter

I would love to see Falling Water some day, that is if it doesnt fall into the water first.

adrian said...

And its not just the material, its what you do with it, if I remember rightly the Parthenon was built with concrete, or possibly some other but equally impressive Roman structure.

Peter Rozovsky said...

I'm presuming you mean the Pantheon rather than the Parthenon, so I will proceed on that basis. One day, purely by accident, I approached it from the rear via a back street, where the marble facing had cracked to reveal the brick beneath. To see such that such a grand structure was built from such humble materials was an inspiring experience.

If you did mean the Parthenon, let me know, and I'll tell you my Parthenon story.
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rob.james said...

The top tips twitter feed is my current joint favourite along with Steve Martin

adrian said...

Peter

The round one in Rome with the hole in the roof, not the one majestically rising above the smog.

I'd gladly hear your Parthenon story. Although I'd be surprised if that involved brick. Didnt Pericles boast that he had found a city made of brick and left one made of marble...or maybe that was Augustus talking about that other city. I really should look these things up.

I have a Pantheon story, but the one in Paris where Rousseau is buried, not the other one with the hole.

But you first...

adrian said...

Rob

And the cartoons are way better than the New Yorker.

Peter Rozovsky said...

The round one in Rome with the hole in the roof, not the one majestically rising above the smog.

Yeah, I guess after 2,000 years any building is apt to develop a leaky roof.

Peter Rozovsky said...

No, you first.

My Parthenon story indeed involves no brick just brass, as in the admirable self-assurance with which a diminutive female guard at the old Acropolis Museum handled a pair of obnoxious visitors. Speaking of Rousseau, did you notice the front of his crypt?
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Adrian said...

Peter

I did not. I shall explain why.

So I'm walking around the Pantheon in Paris with my 1 and a half year old daughter. I'm pointing out the tombs of the great and the good and she's oohing and aahing and asking questions in a kiddie way. A female security guard comes over and says I have to get out because we're being too loud. Ok, I tell her no more questions, my daughter knows how to be quiet. Too late, she says, you have to get out now. Furious argument ensues in angry French.

Adrian: Have you actually read Rousseau?

Security Guard: Yes.

Adrian: I dont think you have. He said encourage the children to run around, let them ask questions, let them be free!

Security Guard: You still have to go.

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I wonder who Parisians hate more Americans or children? I suppose American children.

Peter Rozovsky said...

The salope had obviously not read Emile. Of course, didn't Rousseau abandon all his own children?

I think Parisians must hate Americans more than children because I have seen them behave with great tenderness toward their own children. Or maybe the problem is not Parisians at large, but rather Parisian fonctionnaires.

adrian said...

Peter

He did.

They must us study JJR to death but the only thing I really liked was The Confessions.

seana said...

My feeling is that Parisian officialdom just hates the citizenry. It's not anti-Americanism or anti-children.

I liked the Meades clip, but I was a bit confused. Some of the housing project eyesores looked like things I'd be happy to live in, and bore little relation to American projects. And at least one of the buildings he evaluated as a good building loomed above the landscape and had little to recommend it.

I don't like to think of the Scots as thugs, and yet I suppose they are.

adrian said...

Seana

I only really uploaded the cllp for the joke right at the start.

Some of those estates round Glasgow and Edinburgh though are very grim. Almost as grim as those round Belfast.

adrian said...

Peter

The Confessions brings to mind a little brain teezer:

What do Jesse Jackson and Jean Jacques Rousseau have in common in the culinary line?

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Give up?


They both rather disgustingly pissed in the soup they were making for other people.

seana said...

Okay. I'm avoiding soup from now on.

I think there is humane architecture and less humane architecture,but mainly people feel about the structures they live in about what the rest of the world tells them they should feel about it.

adrian said...

Seana

I was literally born and grew up in (until the age of 13) what in American terms would be called a housing project and we called a redbrick council estate, and the truth is I was extremely happy there. We had a front and back garden, we knew everybody on the street, kids were always running in and out of each others houses. I thought it was great. There were, I'm sure, social problems but as kid you dont really notice them.

Frankie said...

I can't believe you were thrown out of the Pantheon for talking. How snooty can you get? It's women's clothes shops in Paris I have issues with. Some of those haughty shop assistants almost destroyed my confidence as a woman I can tell you. At least I take regular showers.

adrian said...

Frankie

I was thrown out but that lady got an earful: Emile, The Nouvelle Heloise, The Social Contract. She had nothing. Nothing.

Later the same afternoon we were kicked off the Luxembourg Gardens for playing on the grass. It was interesting to read in Sartre's autobiography a few years later that the Luxembourg Gardens were a hell hole for him as a child.

Frankie said...

These places are here to be enjoyed. Although I find it funny when I walk around Tate Modern and hear parents and children talking, the kids obviously schooled in art appreciation , "Mummy is that a Rembrandt" from a six year old. Its like a theme park for the middle class.

Peter Rozovsky said...

Maybe Sartre really said: "Hell is other French people."
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seana said...

With all the crime, I'm surprised the Scots have a reputation for lack of intensity.

What with all the 99% rhetoric lately, the 7% against the rest part of his talk really stood out for me this time around.

I don't know what St. Andrews Day is.

Anonymous said...

Has anyone spent a winter in a Chicago highrise project where the elevators never work and the stairwells and corridors are exposed to the elements?

Does Canada have housing projects?

Do Scotland and Northern Ireland have similar histories, architecture, and housing projects?

Anonymous said...

In Scotland and Northern Ireland, are most projects located on the outskirts of cities? Do people in the projects have reliable means of transportation? How far do they have to travel to get to supermarkets and libraries?

adrian mckinty said...

Anon

A lot of questions there.

Belfast and Glasgow have similar post war histories. The new estates were/are on the outskirts of cities with very patchy public transport. Many people who were cleared out of Belfast and Glasgow slums in the 60s complained/complain about the isolation in the new estates.

adrian mckinty said...

Seana

Assault yes but I'll bet Scotland's murder rate is lower than almost every state in the union, certainly lower than every state south of the Mason Dixon.

Anonymous said...

Any clue as to why ancient Scotland was so gangster in the first place?

Peter
What kind of housing is available for low income First Nations Canadians?

Adrian
What kinds of neighborhoods do Aboriginal Australians live in?

adrian mckinty said...

Anon

I guess you are trying to make a point but you are being way too oblique for me. The Socratic method only works when the focus is narrower and sharper so why dont you just say what you want to say?

Anonymous said...

No, I just really wanted to hear from you and Peter about what public housing is like in your countries, and what people thought about public housing in the States. I didn't know that Scotland had a high crime rate or a violent history, and I wondered why other parts of the British Isles didn't seem to have the same big gap between the rich and the poor. I never meant to be pretentious, and I'm sorry I annoyed you.

adrian mckinty said...

Anon

Dont be silly! You didnt annoy me. I just dont know the answers to the questions!

Anonymous said...

Adrian

I sure hope I didn't annoy you, because I love this blog even though much of it goes over my head. (I'm not smart enough to use the Socratic method.) I tend to ask too many questions when I'm on coffee break and can't think fast enough. My only exposure to public housing was in southwest Chicago in the nineties. Mostly I was worried about how isolated the communities were, how the neighborhoods lacked centers like libraries where people could gather and have good times, the lack of any transportation, and the fact that whole neighborhoods had no food sources except a few fast-food joints. The Scotland video made me worry that other countries besides the States have the same "food desert" problem.

Frankie said...

Nevermind grim housing estates and jellied up Scots. This day the world was blessed with my presence, I know, its enough to cheer anyone up!

Anonymous said...

Frankie

What's "jellied up" mean? (Sorry - I'm American.)

Frankie said...

Erm.. Scottish sweets. Sometimes they put them on their cornflakes. Its funny an American girl asked me tonight where was there a drugstore open and I almost pointed her to a drug dealers house ha ha! She obviously meant a Pharmacy, she almost got more than a pack of anti acids.of course in America u can get some proper good painkillers.