Everybody makes mistakes. Even Homer nods. Normally Roger Ebert is my go to guide for what's happening in the world of movies. His brilliant review of Peter Jackson's Lovely Bones was a treat. But sometimes the Great Cham of Chicago doesn't have his bap screwed on right. This is the first in an occasional series of blogs about movies that I disagree with Sir Roger about. I picked 8 because I couldn't think of 10 off the top of my head. ...
8. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. Ebert says: "[it] must have looked like a natural on paper, but, alas, the completed film is slow and disappointing." He complains about the casting, the famous 'who are these guys' chase scene (!) and the ending. If it's so bad why do we all watch it when we catch it on TV? Explain that. ...
7. Millers Crossing. Ebert says: "This doesn't look like a gangster movie, it looks like a commercial intended to look like a gangster movie. Everything is too designed. That goes for the plot and the dialogue, too." He mostly complains about Leo's office and the fact that the dialogue is too good! Yes, you heard me right. And no, I don't know why he has that comma before too either.
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6. Full Metal Jacket. Ebert says: "i[T]s more like a book of short stories than a novel. Many of the passages seem self-contained, some of them are masterful and others look like they came out of the bottom drawer. This is a strangely shapeless film from the man whose work usually imposes a ferociously consistent vision on his material. The movie is about Vietnam and was shot on stages and outdoor sets in England. It's one of the best-looking war movies ever made on sets and stages, but that's not good enough when compared to the awesome reality of "Platoon," "Apocalypse Now" and "The Deer Hunter." Ebert's comparing schlock like Platoon and The Deer Hunter to FMJ? Wow. In a notorious appearance on At The Movies, Gene Siskel nearly lost his shit when Ebert gave a thumbs up to Benji The Hunted and a thumbs down to Full Metal Jacket. Just think about that for a minute. Or better yet, watch it.
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5 Batman: The Dark Knight. Ebert gave this film four stars. The maximum. This is what he said:"Batman” isn’t a comic book anymore. Christopher Nolan’s “The Dark Knight” is a haunted film that leaps beyond its origins and becomes an engrossing tragedy. It creates characters we come to care about. That’s because of the performances, because of the direction, because of the writing, and because of the superlative technical quality of the entire production." The writing? The writing? The plot of this film was such an insult to the intelligence that I walked out before I had a heart attack from sheer annoyance. Very silly story telling, ghastly plotting and dialogue that made me laugh out loud in all the wrong places. Roger Ebert proves that he's in love with Christopher Nolan or something by giving four stars to every one of his films, even the childish teen fantasy Inception.
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4. Dark City. Ebert gives this four stars too. Clearly science fiction is his achilles heel. He has no compass to navigate his way through the genre. Ebert says that Dark City "is a great visionary achievement, a film so original and exciting, it stirred my imagination like ``Metropolis'' and ``2001: A Space Odyssey." No it isn't. It's got no story, no original ideas. Its all about the set design. A set design that dated faster than a Flock of Seagulls haircut once The Matrix came along
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3. Blade Runner. Roger Ebert famously hated Blade Runner. He's been scrambling to explain himself ever since. Hence the over praise for things like Dark City which he hoped would redeem him among the Geekverse. Ebert says of Blade Runner: "The movie's weakness, however, is that it allows the special effects technology to overwhelm its story. Ford is tough and low-key in the central role, and Rutger Hauer and Sean Young are effective as two of the replicants, but the movie isn't really interested in these people -- or creatures. The obligatory love affair is pro forma, the villains are standard issue, and the climax is yet one more of those cliffhangers, with Ford dangling over an abyss by his fingertips." Jesus, he hated the scene on the roof with Rutger Hauer. Can you imagine? Your hate killed Philip K Dick, Roger. Killed the poor bastard! I hope you're happy!! (editor's note, PKD died well before the film was released and Ebert wrote his review).
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2. Star Wars: The Phantom Menace. Three and a half stars Ebert gives it. It just missed perfection by half a star. I wont even quote Ebert here. His review is a travesty. The science fiction blind spot again or fear of being seen as uncool? Who cares. Look at RedLetterMedia's review on YouTube for the full magilla.
...1. Avatar. Another Four Star review. Honestly am I the only person who found this to be absolute drivel? Were you all hypnotised? Body snatched? Clunky acting, stupid plot, predictable story, embarrassing love scenes? Smurfs in a tree. WTF? Ebert says: "not simply a sensational entertainment, although it is that. It's a technical breakthrough. It has a flat-out Green and anti-war message. It is predestined to launch a cult." This is supposed to be a good thing? Sheesh...
23 comments:
Oh, I dunno, I thought Dark City was a cracking film. It has its problems - Kiefer Sutherland's daft vocal delivery for one - but it mostly pleased this sf fan.
I agree with you about Dark Knight though. The film is one big missed opportunity.
I agree with you on almost all points, Adrian, except BLADE RUNNER. That one is a pretty film, and a pretty much empty one...
How can anyone not like the ending in Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid? You can imagine the end for yourself, they go out in a blaze of glory or shoot their way out and escape the Bolivian army.
Is anyone a Micheal Keaton Batman Fan? He has the best shaped eyebrows and mouth to wear the mask i reckon. I've seen Christian Bale in a few films and he is one extreme dude- too dark even for the Dark Knight.
Of the listed films I've seen, the only one about which I'd argue your evaluation is FMJ, but it's been a long time since I've seen the whole thing. The opening is classic, and the finale is almost as good, but I remember the middle as being forgettable. My opinion could change if I saw it again.
I like Ebert, but how can anyone not like BUTCH CASSIDY?
I'm completely with you on Avatar.
Funny that you mention sci-fi as his Achilles Heel; I read something by Harlan Ellison complaining about the exact same thing (in reference to Ebert giving a strong thumbs up to "Spaceballs".) Basically, he said that Ebert is a sci-fi fan, and any time you wander into that territory the fan in him takes over.
On a separate note, I'm also not a big fan of FMJ, even though I generally think Kubrick is fantastic. It feels to me like two movies stitched together. I never saw "Platoon" so I can't compare, but to me FMJ doesn't feel like it's in the same league as "Apocalypse Now".
Well, this is embarrassing. I loved Benji: The Hunted.
Don't be embarrassed Anonymous. Learn from Ebert and McKinty and take your stance boldly.
I can't believe Ebert didn't like Butch Cassidy. We saw that in the theatre as a family when it first came out, and there was no particular word or buzz about it or anything. Like everyone else in the theatre we came out aglow.
I did like Dark City though. I remember seeing him review that on TV and I think he had to stand up for it then, too. Or else the world just hadn't taken much notice.
Frankie I did just see that Michael Keaton Batman. Being Batman doesn't necessarily seem to lead on to bigger and better things,does it?
No its a shame. Keaton has done a few films since but not huge ones. I think he was the perfect Batman as he gave it a touch of humour and like I said, Batman eyebrows. You know what i was thinking, why dont cinemas show some of the old classics that people didn't get to see at the cinema when they came out? I would love that.
I can understand a little backlash against Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, it gets hyped soooo much, but it is a lot of fun. Could have used a lot more Katherine Ross, though.
On the other hand I sometimes feel like I saw a different Miller's Crossing than everyone else. Well, it sounds like maybe Ebert and I saw the same one.
Ah, I dunno. For a guy who sees 1,000s of movies and wrote about them nearly every day, he's entitled to misses - and you do give him that.
But it's his general approach that make me appreciate him more than almost any other critic. Most of the time, it's about what the film maker set out to do and what they ultimately presented.
And more broadly, when I read his reviews, no matter what his take is on the film, I can tell if it's for me. Or not.
In contrast, Dargis and Scott in the NYT almost always baffle me.
I wholeheartedly agree about Avatar: "Smurfs in a tree" I like that. I found it drivel too.
And Ebert's review of it: "... predestined to launch a cult"? My dormant Calvinist impulses awake only long enough to snort and quickly return to sleep!
I've decided Rutger Hauer just pips Christian Bale in the scary, extreme personality stakes. Either one of them I wouldnt pick up if they were hitch hiking, thats for dammn sure.
Ebert is a great Twitterer but he ain't 'alf prolific.
I have to go onto the actual profile pages of other people I follow to read their tweets as Ebert can fill a page on his own.
I particularly enjoy his essays on video games, especially the responses he gets
I guess because it's a college town, they do show a lot of those older great movies here, Frankie. Although they tend to be a bit predictable as the ones the students want to see, it's still pretty cool. Unfortunately they show them at midnight, which means I never drag myself out to see them.
Philip, Ebert was right about the cult part. It just happen to be one that you or probably I would want to join.
I think he's mostly right and you're mostly wrong although I haven't seen films 6-10.
Full Metal Jacket is rubbish but all Kubrick, apart fron the Killing and half of The Shining, is rubbish. Even Rigsby couldn't save 2001.Sci - Fi and War are my least favourite types of film, though.And I think that's all he did.
Butch Cassidy is a nice film, much better than that drab dads' film All The President's Men, but they didn't know how to make films in those days.Like slow episodes of The District, most of them.
The 1st version of Blade Runner I saw - donkeys ago -was okay but the later one was rubbish. Far too long.
The Coens are much better from Lebowski onwards- apart from Blood Simple, of course.Millers Crossing is a good film but far too long.No film should be more than 90 mins, unless it has a few stories.We do have pubs and a sex life, you know!
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid is a decent flick when you overlook the scene with Newman on the bike and Burt Bachrach singing. But it's nothing compared to The Wild Bunch, which came out the same year (I think). If it's Newman and Redford you want, check out The Sting, which is much, much better.
The first half of FMJ might be in the same league as Apocalypse Now or The Deer Hunter, but as FMJ as a whole ain't!
I think The Sting was pretty great too, Brian. And the music was definitely better. But I think Butch Cassidy was pretty surprising and innovative for its time. The twists and turns in the plot and the pairing of Newman and Redford before Redford was anyone, all were interesting choices. It's hard to believe that Redford was every a virutal unknown, I mean it's hard to read him that way from the present, but that's what he was.
I liked Butch Cassidy and The Sting. Found out after I saw it that one of my great-uncles (Irish side of family) was a participant in a sting just like the one in the movie. He had the role of the guy who writes the racing scores on the chalkboard.
Ancestors to be proud of, huh?
And I like Ebert, Dargis and Scott's reviews. It is true that with Ebert that I know if I want to see or skip a movie he reviews.
I can't believe people are slating Blade Runner. Its a great movie. Also I think all of Kubrick's films are good except that wierd one with Tom & Nic Cruise getting it on..Eww!
Thank you everyone for a great discussion I'd love to respond individually but I have limited time in this little internet nook.
Great comments though.
Full metal jacket is really 3 parts the boot camp scenes,the second PART begins and ends with hooker scenes,then the 3rd, the sniper sequence.The second and 3rd are contrasted with war film parody,macho posturing that seques into the cold reality of combat.Its an illusion smashed by reality.THIS IS KUBRICKS INTENT! In fact the last half hour with the sniper,is the most powerful metaphor for the average soldier in vietnam.Fear and frustration firing at an enemy they can't see.The movie keeps getting more powerful with each viewing.Platoon is unintentional comedy gold.
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