BBC America finally decided to show the controversial BBC political sitcom The Thick Of It last week. They were so scared of creating offense that they put it on at midnight, which is ok, but then they did the unthinkable - they bleeped out all the swearing. The whole point of The Thick of It is that it has some of the best and most creative swearing that we've seen in the English language since Chaucer. The team behind The Thick of It has a new show on HBO called Veep but the reason Veep is such a crashing bore is because white Americans dont really curse with the verve of Brits or Micks and crucially Veep lacks Malcolm, the Prime Minister's sweary terrifying Scots enforcer, the star of both seasons of The Thick of It and the film In The Loop. S3E1 of The Thick Of It, unbleeped, below:
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Gee, even Blogger must not like swearing. It just killed my effort to put up this comment. Let's try again.
Oh, that’s great. “He’s so dense that light bends around him” and “I’ve got a to-do list here that’s longer than a fucking Leonard Cohen song” are m two favorites so far. Of course, America would never be allowed to hear some of Jonathan Meades’ lines in North, either.
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Even better:
“It’s chiefly heroin, although she has cut down since getting pregnant by that Nigerian people smuggler ‘cuz the track marks would have affected her porn career.”
I’ll have to buy an uncensored version of this in London or Bristol next month.
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Peter
Or you could just be decadent and watch the whole series here on youtube before the BBC finds out about it.
The two TV shows that The New Yorker has decided to cast its spotlight upon recently Veep and Awake are both pretty awful. The New Yorker I've noticed, is not good at spotting TV trends before they break.
The fuck do you think I'm doing now?
Peter
Really good arc to season 3. I think the last episode is on another level in terms of brilliance.
What season is it in now? This is great stuff.
Does Episode 1, Season 1, about 1:25 in really have the line "Too many Grahams? We ought to kill some of them"?
OK, there. Now we know Seana will tune in.
Peter
I forgot about the Graham line.
The seasons are a bit complicated. There season 1 with Hugh Abbot as the minister. Then there's a Christmas special which was two episodes long that is considered to be season 2. Then season 3 with Nicola Murray as the minister. You can disregard season 2 as its more of a novelty, the good stuff is in 1 and 3.
I watched one segment in which Hugh was the minister. I'll try to watch in order whatever is available, then do some shopping in England.
Not that I'm an expert on either, but bits of the show, the quieter ones especially, reminded me a little of Curb Your Enthusiasm of The Garry Shandling Show. But I like this better.
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Peter
I dont about season 1, but all of season 3 is up on youtube and can be watched sequentially by searching thick of it s3 e1 etc.
I'd put The Thick of It higher than Curb and Shandling and on a par with The Larry Sanders show and s3-7 Seinfeld.
I used to really like Ricky Gervais but I can rewatch any of the RG vehicles now because I just find them painful and just not that funny anymore.
I saw Larry Sanders a time or two and liked it. I also liked the bits of Seinfeld I've seen, but nowhere near as much as this.
Now, back to Season 1, Episode 2.
Oh, and in the matter of the best swearing since Chaucer, Shakespeare, who created Thersites in Troilus and Cressida. might have something to say with your assessment.
Peter
Although not that sweary I do like Aaron the Moor's monologue in Titus Andronicus
Great series and great swearing.
Criminy -- what is the POINT?!
My wife works in a government ofice and they watch The Thick of It at lunch. They think it's a documentary.
I've only seen the first episode of Veep but I liked it. The Julia Louis-Dreyfus character isn't an idiot.
Adrian, that scene is still not as good as
"The plague of Greece upon thee, thou mongrel
beef-witted lord!"
Troilus And Cressida, Act II, Scene I
I started watching The Thick of It on my computer awhile ago when you posted a segment. I liked it, but the problem with watching things on my computer is that I forget about them.
I don't really get the BBC fear about swearing in America. I thought that was part of what made Deadwood so popular here. I haven't managed to get into the series, but for awhile there my friends could hardly say a sentence without heightening it by profanity.
My Graham blood was up when I walked the last few feet to my house late last night. There is no sidewalk on my side of a busy road, and I have to try and walk on the edge of the road, or in this rough mulch area on the side, which isn't the best footing. So I keep an eye out for the cyclists zipping down the hill and step up into the mulch when necessary. It's not the greatest arrangement, but it's really the only thing you can do. So two different cyclists come racing down the hill, with no lights, no helmets, nothing, and I step out of the way of both of them, and the second one says, Stay off the bike path, please, as he sails past. I only managed to say, "Oh, shut up," within his earshot, but afterwards I was enraged enough to get off a colorful line or two. Fucking passive aggressive, sanctimonious Santa Cruz prick. He epitomized everything I hate about this place at times, and it's probably lucky that my ancestors did not completely take over my soul as the entire town would have lain in ashes around me this morning.
Top swearing, Seana.
Adrian, Malcolm's elaborate outbursts remind me of curses that turn up in Yiddish/Jewish joke books, to wit:
"I wish you everything you wish me and everything you'll wish you wished me when you find out what I wished you."
My swearing is so far better in my head than it is out on the streets, but once I start to get senile, everybody better watch the hell out.
John, I take it that the version seen in Canada does not bleep out the swearing.
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Seana, it's no use replying because no matter what I said, it would not be nearly as funny without Malcolm Tucker's accent.
I have a theory that in the British Isles, the farther north one gets the better the accents get until one reaches a linguistic black hole of utter incomprehensibility.
PAUL
Agreed.
KA
I dont know. BBC America has some odd ideas.
John
I think my problem with Veep is that there is not terrifying central villain. The guy from the White House is a drip. Also when they swear they seem embarrassed to be doing it.
Seana
When a bicyclist nearly hit my daughter on a mixed use bit of the boardwalk a month ago and then told me to "keep an eye on my kid" I let her have it for riding too fast when there were children around. When she stopped and started swearing she had no idea who she was dealing with. A guy from Belfast can match a guy from Glasgow in that department any day of the week.
Peter
You should try and catch Geordie Shore some time. I wonder if you can catch the accent.
I don't think I ever mentioned here how I somehow ended up at an Earth Day celebration in Boston in 1990. The peaceful march or whatever it was that I was in nearly ended up in mayhem because the cyclists and pedestrians trying to negotiate some of the same narrow passages were annoying the hell out of each other. I was annoyed too, but I also found it ironically amusing.
I thought I'd mentioned the incident that had me thinking about starting a blog called "Crush the Cyclists." If I can't find at D. Beyond Borders, I'll write it up either as a new post or as a comment here. Like you I swore long and loud at cyclists, possibly a hundred to them.
Adrian, I may have mentioned that I fell in love with Geordie accents when I heard the author Sheila Quigley, who comes form Sunderland, speak at Crimefest. My favorite utterance of hers happened when she said to Declan Burke: "Aye, you look like shite."
Peter, they're the government, they somehow have the UK version on discs.
Adrian, I agree there's no central villian on Veep, A big problem.
John, I figured that if Canadian bookstores get UK editions rather than US editions of novels, they might also get the UK version of "Thick of It," which I watched until almost 6 this morning and probably now know just bit less about than does Adrian.
I watched the beginning of the first episode of Veep last night as part of my Thick of It marathon. The comparison might be unfair because not many people will watch the two shows back to back, but Veep suffered by comparison, and not just for the weak swearing you mentioned. The camera work was static; ordinarily not a bad thing but producing a curiously flat effect after the kinetic Thick of It. Y=The only scene in the opening minutes that had even a spark of excitement was the one where the vice president is greeting senators at the sparsely attended reception. That’s the only one where the camera moves.
I bet that if you studies shots of people walking down hallways in The Thick of It, you’d find that most were shot from high or oblique angles. In Veep, you get Julia Louis-Dreyfus and her advisors in a medium-long shot, straight on, like The Mod Squad or the posters for the Sex and the City movie – in short, like a hundred thousand shots you’ve seen before. The show may get better after the first 3 minutes, 41 seconds, but by God, I’m going to have to force myself to watch any more of it if I watch it at all.
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Peter
No kinetic lively camerawork and no central scary villain which is very very odd. In real life the President's first Chief of State Rahm Emmanuel was a sweary, bull headed, street fighter, accosting people in showers, shoving them etc. Veep is desperate for that kind of presence.
Yeah, a Malcolm Tucker-like character apparently based on Rahm Emanuel. Even President Obama has poked public fun a this reputation. I think Emanuel broke a finger or something, and Obama said that would cut Emanuel's vocabulary way down.
Static camerwork might not be a bad thing (though hard to get used to after The Thick of It), but the camerawork is schizophrenic in those opening minutes, static most of the shots but tentatively approaching Thick Of It-style movement in that scene I mentioned in my previous comment.
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P.S. I've now watched Series 1, Series 2, and Series 3 up to and including Episode 5.
Peter
Well I wont spoil it but I think the final two episodes of S3 are the best. I think I like Nicola Murray a little better than Hugh too.
I could well watch the rest of Season 3. I like that the show is not afraid to have Nicola shed a tear now and then, and the awkwardness with which her male colleagues respond -- one of many things I like.
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