In a recent interview Werner Herzog explained why he lives in LA not New York: "LA generates culture, but all New York does is consume it." I thought of this when I read this depressing story in The New York Times about a Steve Martin talk at the 92nd Street Y. He was being interviewed about his new novel set in the art world and about art collecting in general. Sol Adler, the Y’s executive director was horrified. The Times takes up the story.“Last night’s event with Steve Martin did not meet the standard of excellence that you have come to expect from 92nd St. Y,” Sol wrote in an e-mail to ticket holders. “We planned for a more comprehensive discussion and we, too, were disappointed with the evening. We will be mailing you a $50 certificate for each ticket you purchased to last night’s event. The gift certificate can be used toward future 92Y events, pending availability.” About 900 tickets to the event, which cost $50 each, had been sold; all ticket buyers received the offer. Perhaps the audience saw that message coming. Midway through the conversation, a Y representative handed Ms. Solomon a note asking her to talk more about Mr. Martin’s career and, implicitly, less about the art world, the subject of his latest novel, “An Object of Beauty.” According to Mr. Martin, viewers watching the interview by closed-circuit television from across the country sent e-mails to the Y complaining “that the evening was not going the way they wished, meaning we were discussing art.”
It was, he said, “a little like an actor responding in Act III to an audience’s texts to ‘shorten the soliloquies.’ ” The audience cheered when Ms. Solomon read aloud the note. Still, Ms. Solomon said she had thought until that moment that things were going swimmingly. She said she was “appalled” to have their conversation publicly criticized by the Y and found deserving of a refund.
My friend Scott said this to me in an email: "I was an usher in college at the 92nd St Y, so I can attest that many of the people there are philistines. It's a lot of cranky old biddies who buy a whole series of talks or movies or whatever. I was always surprised when they would have a movie and then a talk with the director or actor. A lot of them would come, watch the movie, and then leave. When they had The Color Of Money and then an interview with Martin Scorsese at least a quarter of the audience left after the movie. You can't stick around to see Marty? Stuff like that amazed me."
The public evidently only wanted to hear about Steve Martin's "wild and crazy guy" persona and his comic turns in the movies. This is the audience of the 92nd Street Y, one of New York's cultural beacons. Sheesh. I guess that's why Charlie Rose, David Letterman etc. have on so many actors and so few poets, artists etc. - that's what the public wants and that's what they're going to get.
Steve Martin responded to the kerfuffle with an editorial in the Times, here.
38 comments:
Amen!
I don't know, I was almost with you till Scorsese, one of the most over-rated, over-blown, artists out there. The reactions to his movies are entirely emotional - which is fine, that's what makes them entertainment, but they're not really any different than Steve Martins "wild and crazy" guy routines.
I don't think the Y should have reacted the way they did, but they should have known that such a large number of tickets sold was in the interest of entertainment, not art.
Because really, the difference between the stuff we elevate to art and the stuff we condemn as entertainment is almost always just personal taste.
Steve Martin's response nails it.
Though, as you say, one wonders whether his detractors deserve the respect.
Steve Martin was entirely too gracious in his editorial. I have no idea if the New Yorkers are more philistine than anyone else in the country, but subjecting any guest speaker to that kind of email response is idiotic.You pays your money and you takes your chances, people.
I don't really like that movie scene, though, having stood where that woman stood too many times. Just the other day in fact, I answered the phone to have a guy say "Fuck you and fuck the bookstore!" and hang up because he had gotten the wrong end of the stick in an earlier exchange with another employee. Luckily, he also told me that he was taking his business with Borders, and I gotta say, I wish them well with that.
Martin's response was poilte and spot on. Liked when he said he would love to return to the Y.. to play basketball.
Another account of the event by one of the attendees.
Naomi,
The whole thing is nuts aint it?
John
I think I'd agree a little bit.
Scorsese's work since Casino has been piss poor and his three most recent films have been, in my opinion, disastrous.
However I do love Goodfellas, Taxi Driver, King of Comedy, Mean Streets and Casino and thats not a bad track record.
Michael
Yeah I do wonder if they aren't setting themselves up to be this great cultural bastion when in fact they aren't really.
Seana
The scene cuts off before her fantastic come back.
Car Rental Lady: Do you have your rental agreement?
Steve Martin: No! I threw it away.
Car Rental Lady: Oh boy.
Steve Martin: Oh boy, what?
Car Rental Lady: You're fucked.
It gets mixed reviews on Rotten Tomatoes and there's a bit of a sappy ending but I think Planes, Trains and Automobiles holds up pretty well.
Sean
That WAS a good line.
Hee hee..I cant stop laughing.I have to watch that film before Christmas, That one and National Lampoons Christmas Vacation. They get you in the right mood for the festive season.
Tomas
That was excellent!
I love a spirited opposition and they write so well and are still pretty spikey about the thing days later!
I dont buy it for a second though. Steve Martin was there not to reflect on his career, but to discuss his new novel. He discussed his new novel. Period.
Frankie
One of my favourite Martins. Along with The Jerk, Dirty Rotten Scoundrels (Ruprecht kills me) and Roxanne.
I was at a lunch a few months ago when the director of Roxanne came in but I was too embarassed to tell him that I loved that film. I wonder if directors/actors want to hear that or are they sick of people saying that stuff to them all the time?
I think they do get fed up but so what, you can't always play it too cool for school. I hear Bill Murray isnt proud of Ghostbusters but he bloody well should be, there great films.
Frankie
My wife and I saw Mike Leigh on the Tube once and she told him that she loved his movies. They talked a little bit about Life Is Sweet. I said nothing. I felt we had him unfairly cornered.
I havve rehearsed what I'm going to say to Clooney: "God, I LOVE you in those coffee commercials with Malkovich. They are so funny," which is true but that will really annoy him.
Seana
Also the prequel to this scene was the lady keeping Steve Martin waiting on the line while she conducted a long personal call which would miff anyone.
Thanks, Adrian. The context does help.
I have to say that that audience member's reinterpretation of the event did not sway me. Sometimes interviews go badly. It's still not a reason to send in a cue from the side on how to do it better.
The most excrutiating interview I ever saw was a couple of years ago at the AWP in New York. The poet James Tate was interviewed by a nice young guy who was a fan, and Tate managed to skewer and humiliate him at every turn. I actually had a back and forth on this event with the poet Martha Silano over here some months ago. It was a similar uncomfortable experience where various people took away various impressions.
Seana
That was a good link.
Poets are an interesting bunch. I met a famous poet once who was a bit of a hero of mine. I had lunch with him and then accompanied him to his reading. At lunch he was perfectly nice but at the reading he was a complete tyrant, demanding that a coughing lady "be escorted out" and humiliating questioners with Olympian condescension. I and many people there were livid.
Yeah, poets more than most writers you might not want to know that closely. Robert Frost was supposed to be pretty unbearable, and I would much rather read Robinson Jeffers than actually have had to deal with him.
I actually did like Tate's quirky view of the world quite a lot before I saw him, but he may have spoiled that for me. I guess I should try to forget.
Seana
And speaking of poets, this has me pretty excited:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-11909126
You'll have to post a link when it comes up.
Men and their secretaries, though. I didn't even know poets had secretaries.
Just when we thought we'd gotten rid of the evil parasites (Bono left town yesterday)
The locusts have arrived in Melbourne
do you think we will need netting for our cars? srsly.
Gen
I think I saw one in the back yard. It might have been a grasshopper. When I came back after getting my camera it was gone.
It wasnt exactly a swarm.
Was Mike Leigh nice? Im not sure I'd recognise many directors. I really like Ken Loach after seeing him stand up to Heseltine a few weeks ago on Newsnight, Hes called him a communist in a barrage of usual tory abuse after Loach said the tories sold our country down the river. I don't think I have seen any of his films though.
Frankie
Mike Leigh was very nice. I was dying of humiliation and embarassment however. This was on the Tube so everyone could hear our conversation. My wife kept asking questions about his screenwriting process etc. And to keep my end up I offered the observation that I thought Jim Broadbent was just naturally funny and could be funny reading the phone book which I dont think screenwriters or directors are that keen to hear.
Yeah i dont think thats much of a compliment is it? Broadbent is funny regardless of your direction.. he he! oh well. He wouldnt like too much gushing praise I think.
If Mike Leigh was riding the Tube, he probably hadn't gotten all that weary of approaches by the admiring public. And Broadbent can never get too much praise, so that was all right.
Take a picture of a swarm for us if one approaches.
It's not exactly on point, but I remember reading about how Bill Hicks ditched New York shortly after achiving a lifelong dream of moving there. The cultural scene was a part of it - iirc he found it highly overrated, preferring Chicago, London, San Francisco as places to perform and develop material.
On a sad side note, Terriers was cancelled today. Hope The Walking Dead and Boardwalk Empire are as good as everyone says, 'cause I'm passing.
Matt, that's terrible news. I really liked Terriers.
I haven't been to New York enough to be tired of it, but I am tired of the undue prominence it has in the U>S. lit scene.
I hate it when they cancel programmes your hooked on. I liked one called Smith with Ray Liotta but cancelled. If they did that with Dexter or Burn Notice I dont know what id do. Miami looks amazing, it makes me want to live there.
Seana
I will take a pic unless I'm fleeing in panic.
Matt
Boardwalk Empire sounds good. A little staid maybe but good.
Frankie
Never been to Miami, but I'd like to go in the winter.
Adrian, I'm not the biggest Mad Men fan, but I was wondering what you though of this alignment chart.
http://badassness.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/madmenalignment.jpg
his twitter feed on this has been quite funny.
Rob
I just checked them out. They're good.
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