Tuesday, March 29, 2011

How We Learned To Talk

25 comments:

David Corbett said...

First, I commend anyone who's willing to be filmed with a fish-eye lens for 3 years every damn minute of the day. (Note to self: Important! Don't forget to get dressed before going into living room.)

Second, very cool project.

Third, not so keen on some of the Hunt for Red October music in the first third of the piece.

Last, this is the kind of thing my girlfriend does, but for Natgeo TV. She's working on something involving fertility and animals in captivity right now. (Did you know male walruses are aroused by the sound of power tools?) Also a series on the brain, which is pretty fascinating.

Thanks for putting this up, Mr. McKinty. Hope all is grand.

Dennis said...

That was really interesting, I especially liked hearing the progression from "wawa" to water.

adrian mckinty said...

David

Isnt everyone aroused by the sound of power tools? At least everyone with a Nascar moustache.

Sounds like your girlfriend has a very cool job. There are two National Geographic shows I'm addicted to: Banged Up Abroad and Air Crash Investigation. The first is a testament to human stupidity and the second to the fragility of human life - one washer fails and everyone's toast.

adrian mckinty said...

Dennis

I never tire telling the story that my daughter's first word was dada, which I'm pretty sure was a reference to me not the 1920's art movement headed by Tristan Tzara.

seana said...

I think she was probably just trying to say water.

It's an interesting experiment, but I didn't really learn anything from it that we haven't all learned just from experience.It would have been interesting if the child had some totally unexpected source of knowledge, like Dr. Who appearing secretly in the middle of the night or something.

I also think it's kind of a funny thing to use your own life as raw data. Not wrong, but just an interesting choice. Not crazy about the electrode-capped kid, though I have to admit he didn't seem to mind.

speedskater42k said...

Deb Roy spoke at the TED Conference earlier this month:

http://www.ted.com/talks/deb_roy_the_birth_of_a_word.html

Glenna said...

I was thinking pretty much what Seana said, although she said it better.

Also, humans aren't the only ones to use speech and language. My husbands psychology professor had a rather smart African Grey parrot that could talk and even somewhat reason. Some of the stories he told were pretty interesting, and amazing.

adrian mckinty said...

Seana

I think its kind of incredible that at the age of two you have these blobs in your house who dont do much but at the age of five you have these strange sentient creatures with their own opinions and ideas, often in complete variance to your own.

adrian mckinty said...

Speedskater

Thanks for that. Its ages since I've been on Ted. No doubt that will take care of my afternoon.

adrian mckinty said...

Glenna

"Some of the stories he told were pretty interesting, and amazing."

Now thats a hell of a parrot.

speedskater42k said...

Adrian:

My cousin was very fortunate to attend the recent TED conference in Long Beach. He really liked Deb Roy's presentation, but this one with Sarah Kay was his favorite:

http://www.ted.com/talks/sarah_kay_if_i_should_have_a_daughter.html

Glenna said...

It took me a minute to re-read that. The prof told stories aboutthe parrot. One of my favorites was when the prof brought the parrot to my husbands class and gave the parrot a bite of apple and asked the parrot what it was. The parrot said apple. The prof then gave him a bite of banana and asked the parrot what it was. The parrot said banana. Next the prof held up a pear and told the class he hadn't taught the parrot the name for the fruit. He gave the parrot a bite and asked the parrot what it was. The parrot said banapple. The prof guessed because it was roundish like an apple but soft like the banana and since the parrot didn't have a name for it he combined the two he knew.

Assuming this link wirks since im posting from my Ipod, this is a cute little video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rfGEtALHYs&feature=youtube_gdata_player

kathy d. said...

For Glenna,
Was this the famous grey parrot Alex, star of tv and books?

I saw Alex on tv. When he was tired of naming shapes and colors, he climbed up the technician's arm, nibbled on his neck and said, "I want dinner."

The technician said, "Not now, later." That parrot was annoyed at that and chewed a bit more on the guy's neck.

He did reason and listen.

And on young children: I hear a neighbor's four-year-old disagreeing with and correcting her parents all of the time. Quite amazing.

And on "dada," I have heard from reliable sources that "d" is an easier letter than most for young children to say, or as a relative of mine said, "the all purpose 'D.'" As in that green fruit, "the diwi," as a 2-year-old I know used to say.

genevieve said...

I do feel bad that I haven't watched your video, Adrian, but I wish to concur - it is simply incredible that so many little people learn to talk so well. Just spend a few years with someone who struggles, and you'll stop taking it for granted ASAP. It is damn miraculous that more things don't go wrong.

adrian mckinty said...

Speedskater

I know Sarah Kay. The poet right? The good looking poet, yes?

adrian mckinty said...

Glenna

That isnt the parrot that whats her name who lives with the monkeys came to see, is it? I saw a video of that on a plane once and it was pretty amazing. She asked (Jane Goodall??) if she'd come in a taxi and they had a bit of a conversation.

adrian mckinty said...

Kathy

There could be something in that d theory. Both my girls learned to say doggie as their second word. And we dont have a dog.

adrian mckinty said...

Gen

It is amazing. I think its cool that you can get off a plane in any foreign country and using English can pretty much get any taxi driver to take you where you want to go.

Rob James said...

I've got Stephen Pinker's The Language Instinct staring at me from my bookshelf, daring me to read it and make my brain hurt

adrian mckinty said...

Rob

Gave up on that one. Thank god it was a library book. He's a good speaker is Pinker but his books can be dense.

seana said...

I wasn't sure if you meant the kids thought the parents were blobs, or the parents thought the kids were blobs, but I never found even babies particularly unsentient. The thing I think is cool is when you kind of catch very little kids when they don't know you are watching and they reveal something of their interior and separate life. Something beyond just interacting with outer stimulus. It's kind of the moment when you realize they aren't babies anymore.

speedskater42k said...

Adrian,

Yes, THAT Sarah Kay!

Glenna said...

Not to keep beating a conversation after it's dead but this was too cute to pass up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JmA2ClUvUY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

adrian mckinty said...

Glenna

thats fine, I just dont like it when twins do that creepy psychic thing.

Rob James said...

There were three sets of twins at my school.

One of each pair was, whilst no actually evil, a bad 'un