The War For Late Night is a solid piece of reporting of a kind that you don't see much any more. Carter is an unshowy, unhistrionic writer who assembles his facts, checks them and spins them into a compelling narrative. He's done a lot of research and interviewed almost all the key players in the drama of how Jay Leno lost, regained, lost and regained The Tonight Show on NBC. The basic tale is well known. Jay didn't want to go but was forced out because NBC were afraid of losing Conan O'Brien, the dauphin. Terrified that Leno was going to go to Fox or ABC, NBC came up with a silly plan to put a Jay Leno show on in primetime, soon after Conan would take over The Tonight Show. Conan debuted on The Tonight Show and his ratings were weak, Leno's show debuted in primetime and his ratings were a disaster. The NBC affiliates revolted, wanting Leno off the air, but to fire him would cost NBC a fortune so they decided to put on a mini Jay Leno show at 11.30 and push Conan's Tonight Show back to 12.00. Conan refused because he said it "would spoil the tradition of The Tonight Show starting at 11.30" and left NBC with a settlement of 40 million dollars or thereabouts. Leno got The Tonight Show back and although his ratings are lower than they were when before he left he is currently back to beating Letterman in the ratings. Conan went to the TBS network where his show gets a tiny but devoted audience.
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A lot of this is inside baseball and there are few surprises in the story (but there is one big one) and libel laws being what they are Carter has to be careful what he says at all times; so often it's necessary to read between the lines. What I got from the book were the following impressions: 1.) Jay Leno is a hardworking automaton driven by strange inner demons and with seemingly no outside life apart from The Tonight Show or doing up to 160 Vegas shows a year; he has no kids, never takes vacations, spends all of his time with his classic cars or writing lame, dated, middle America friendly jokes. 2.) David Letterman is a surly misanthrope with few friends, blinding rages, and an acidic but often funny sense of humour. 3.) Conan O'Brien (and this is the surprise) is actually a bit of an eejit who takes himself very seriously, has an enormous sense of entitlement and weirdly is almost the villain of the piece. Before I read the book I (and surely everyone else in America) thought Conan was hard done by and that Leno was the jerk: Conan is easy to like because he's young and hip and Leno is easy to dislike because he's old, old fashioned and less edgy than Letterman or Conan. But actually as Jerry Seinfeld points out in the book Conan was the one who threw the hissy fit and refused to compromise, Seinfeld says that all Conan's talk about the traditions of The Tonight Show were high falutin nonsense, arguing that actually its just a stupid TV chat show that's had half a dozen hosts and many time periods and starting times over the years. Seinfeld argues that Conan should have realised that his ratings were horrible and accepted the deal to move to 12.00 without kicking up a fuss. It's an interesting thesis and contra to the Zeitgeist which I always like.
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Patrick Crawley of USC rates and analyses all 7 late night hosts, here. His winner is Conan and like everyone else he despises Leno.
26 comments:
America does alright for talk shows doesn't it? Theres loads. We dont have any since Sachsgate.
What are Australian chatshows like?
Frankie
I think there are Australian content laws for the local TV stations here and the cheapest content they can come up with are chat shows and panel games. They're all pretty bad.
Thanks for that.
Top of my list:
Jimmy Kimmel
Down much further:
Conan
Fallon
Letterman
Not on the list at all:
Leno
I saw Kimmels sketches a while back. He's a popular guy. Hilarious.
Adrian, have you read or heard of the book, 'I'm Dying Up Here'?
Trudy
Yeah the USC guy loves Kimmel too.
Matt
Read some reviews of it. Its that strike they all had against Pauly Shore's mother isnt it? Its funny that back then Leno was the edgy one they all wanted to be.
I saw the 60 Minutes piece on the Leno/Conan debacle. It was largely from O'Brien's perspective and sympathetic to him, but I think you do get a glimpse of his sense of his own self-importance.
But let's get real. $40 million dollars? Compared to almost everyone else in the world, there are no losers here.
Adam Hills' show is OK as Australian chat shows go but the rest are dreadful.
Jimmy Kimmel's sketches are very funny. The thing with him and Sarah Silverman (I'm Fucking Matt Damon / Ben Affleck) was amazing
Check it out if you get the chance, Adrian. The strike is one storyline but there are some others which are truly heart-wrenching, like that of Richard Lewis and his friend Steve Lubetkin.
The high point for me were the stories of all these comics who descended on LA at the same time, Letterman, Leno, Kaufman, Dreesen, Mooney, etc., living on olives and meon wedges, who became this tightly-knit group, all working towards one goal: Carson. I'm no Leno fan, but after reading the book I do appreciate the dues which he and all these other comedy road warriors paid. Something O'Brien really didn't.
Letterman has few friends, something Regis and Stern continually bust his chops over, but there's a story in the book about Letterman's friend and fellow veteran of the comedy wars George Miller who was diagnosed with acute leukemia ten years ago...Letterman donated $1 million to an LA hospital for his entry into an experimental chemo program.
Definitely worth reading.
Seana
Yeah forty million bucks and he gets to do his own show for as long as he likes. Its fine.
Rob
Yeah that was funny but I think that pair of videos is the only thing I've seen be him.
Matt
Yeah OBrien seems to have a pretty charmed life. Harvard - SNL - The Simpsons - his own show. They mention one tough summer he spent in Chicago went he had to sleep on someone's mattress and it was a bit hot...er, thats about it.
There were two incidents in the life of Conan O'Brien that I found funny. The first was the mock fist fight he had with Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert in the stairwell of some studio. It was when the writer's strike was on. And those three had no material really. They did this fight and it was hilarious.
The 2nd was his American Express commercial shot in India.
I'm such a huge fan of comedy, and I know it's a hard thing to pull off. But Conan never made me laugh other than those two abovementioned events.
I am partial to comics because it's a hard thing to get people to laugh twice at the same thing. My first tv memories are of Lily Tomlin in Laugh In. I attended more live shows of her one-woman hit "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life" more than I should admit.
I am partial to Robin Williams. Early Saturday Night Live was a revelation for me. Gilda Radner especially influenced me in so many ways. I love Will Ferrell but have yet to see him in anything really good straight through. I think he hasn't hit his potential yet. I understand why Steve Martin doesn't do comedy any longer, but I am not a huge fan of his recent stuff. I thought Roseanne's show was fraught with hilarity until she married whatshisname and made him producer of the show, though I thought the series' last episode was brilliant.
I liked Letterman when he had this afternoon talk show way back when. I think it was on at like 3:00. I can see that he'd probably be an ass in person. I like the fact that if he doesn't like someone, he makes it known. He and Steve Martin had a biting spoof of Anne Heche. He was openly hostile to Madonna.
It's weird but I don't have much of an opinion on Jay Leno.
I think I need to buy this book is what I'm saying.
I don't really watch these late-night talk shows any more, but rather MSNBC or old noir movies.
However, I glimpsed Letterman's show one night and he was strongly defending public school teachers, who are under attack here in the States. He was good, talking about the importance of fixing the public school system and respecting teachers.
Yeah, that was terrific.
I think for a lot of use Letterman fans these were his shining moments.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGMlp26JFLU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7wkkO0aOQg&feature=related
Sheiler
My big Conan highlight has got to be that monorail script he wrote for The Simpsons. One of the very very best.
Kathy
Yeah I think most of the time his heart is in the right place. Apologising to Bill HIcks's mother was also good.
Matt
Yeah I watched that live. The whole thing was gut wrenching.
Did you ever hear the Ben Stiller story about the first SNL after 9/11. Apparently he bailed at the last minute and got a lifetime ban from the show for leaving everyone in the lurch. At least thats what it said in the book.
I didn't know Conan had written for the Simpsons.
Chris Rock was guest editing some magazine - perhaps it was a music mag? I forget the name. He said that Harvard offered great training for comedy writers as well as venues and hob knob-bery. He wanted to do something like that for black students at one of the traditional black colleges. Maybe it was Spin Magazine. Anyway, his input turned the mag upside down...it was funny and unexpected and successful in execution.
I thought Naropa would be another good breeding ground. But then thought no. There's all kinds of great material there. But not the student body to carry it off.
Sheiler
I've mentioned that I taught at Naropa for two years? I cant remember. But anyway I did. I loved the place, but I was gutted that no one did any of the naked protests I had been promised.
Adrian,
Yes absolutely you told me you'd taught at Naropa. You showed up maybe a year after I'd left. I almost stayed to earn my MFA there but so many people convinced me that I'd be taking the same classes I'd just taken.
Ah, there was a naked protest of some sort but only two of the students 'protested' (forget why now) and it was lackluster. Which was weird. Because there were so many other moments around campus in which a nude protest could easily have been spawned with the right nudging encouragement...or at least spontaneous nudity could have happened with the right nudging. I pride myself on instigating a riotous series of screaming protests against the perenially imbibable Ken Kesey. He was performing at Boulder theater - an original show that consisted of stupid words drunkenly slurred and a puppet. Was there a point to it? Who knows and more importantly who cared? A big dance party was to follow. I left the theatre because It Was So Bad, but I wanted to stay for the dance. So I hung out and sat on Kesey's fat ass cadillac convertable in front of the theatre and moped. And then other students joined me. And then I got them all riled up (which was easy I admit just like spontaneous nudity would have been) and I got them to just go in there and start yelling at the tops of their lungs. I believe I had said, "Let's all of us go in and..." but in reality didn't feel like going in myself.
They went and screamed. The play continued. They came back out. More people came back out. I got them further riled up and so they went back in and screamed. The play continued to the end despite a few other bursts.
Rolling Stone quoted Anne Waldman about the affair, but she clearly wasn't there because she said the ruckus had happened because the play was misogynistic. If it was, it was impossible to tell because he was so drunk.
Have you read the book "When I was Cool" by the very first writing school student of Naropa's? It's a great run down of the cast of characters then.
Sheiler
There was still a high level of eccentricity when I was there. I'm sure most of the students were bored out of their minds in my classes because I taught inside and assigned reading and we did pop quizzes and everyone got grades...
I'm thinking it might have been a good thing you both weren't there at the same time.
you might be right Seana. I probably wouldn't be so inclined, if I'd been Adrian's student, to hog up the intersphere here on the Psychopathology... with my half-baked responses (in a general sense, and not a stoned sense).
And speaking of Psychopathology of...was this title informed by your time at Naropa, adrian?
Sheiler
The students who stayed in my classes were all pretty good, but several did drop out after I explained how things were going to go down in Class 1 muttering things about how this "wasnt the Naropa way" etc.
Yeah you'd have to have some of those in your class or it wouldn't have been Naropa. There was always a basket weaver among the crowd who for some reason felt the need to get a degree. But in "When I Was Cool" the author had to do Allen's laundry as part of his school work. So there is a precedent.
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