I've been reading The Thin Red Line by James Jones and one of the interesting differences between the book and the Terrence Malick movie is Captain Stein. In the film Malick changes Stein's identity to that of a Greek officer, Captain Staros, but in the book he's Jewish. Stein has one of the most memorable scenes in the novel when he refuses the direct order of his Colonel to suicidally sacrifice his company on a direct attack on a Japanese position during the battle of Guadalcanal. The scene is given all the more resonance in the book because Colonel Tall never lets Stein forget that he is a "Jew lawyer" in civilian life and he, Tall, is a WASP West Point graduate, class of '28. Why did Malick remove this interesting dimension from his film? I don't know the answer but it isn't the first time it has happened. Anyone who has read The Young Lions by Irwin Shaw knows just how rife the US Army was with Jew haters. JD Salinger told his daughter Margaret that the US Army was full of anti-Semitism and racism in World War 2, more so even that in regular life and Joseph Heller and Norman Mailer experienced a great deal of anti semitic taunts and attacks, some of which comes through in their books; yet in Spielberg's Band of Brothers we never hear a single racist or anti-Semitic remark from the saintly fellows of Easy Company. This is surprising, especially when they do plenty of grumbling about their incompetent Jewish C.O. They call him every name in the book but the K word never raises its ugly head....
Spielberg and Tom Hanks's The Pacific starts playing here this week and its already being praised as the most realistic TV show on the war ever; because of their track record I'm a little skeptical about that and I wonder if we'll ever see a World War 2 movie or TV series that really tells it like it was warts and all. As long as we're continually hero worshipping "The Greatest Generation" I suspect not.
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I guess I should start watching this so I'll be ready when you start picking it apart.
How is the book holding up? I remember there was a surge of interest in it again when the movie came out. I have to admit that the closet I've gotten to James Jones is standing outside his apartment on the Île Saint-Louis in Paris.
No, I think that sort of talk would be divisive, counterproductive and unsupportive of the troops.
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Hi Adrian,
Greatest generation? Yeah and weren't they all conscripts? How many of todays US service personnel are conscripts? None. Surely today's is a greater generation, many of whom are Reservists, surely the closest we'll get to Jefferson's idea of true citizen soldiers.
And why does Spielberg keep doing WWII? Why not Vietnam? Or, God forbid, Iraq or Afghan? Clearly he doesn't want to sully his reputation with anything remotely controversial.
Anyway...
I'm not a huge Giuliani fan, but aside from his steadfast support of the Yankees I did like it when talking with Tom Brokaw shortly after 9/11, after the loss of so many FDNY and NYPD and brave civilians, he essentially called BS on the greatest generation hypothesis.
I haven't read TTRL for years but I do now remember that change. I did like Staros in the film, he was a strong character in a cast full of strong characters, even speaking in Greek. But your point is well taken. Those remarks never make it in. It has to be a conscious choice on the part of the filmmakers. I remember reading Roger Kahn's terrific chronicle of the 1978 baseball season and being surprised at how he was one of the very few writers - west of Boston, that is - willing to show to nasty, drunken, racist side of Billy Martin. Martin didn't get along well with the Yankees GM Gabe Paul or President Al Rosen and wouldn't made more of a point of it, except Rosen was a former amateur boxer who would've mopped the floor with Martin. Kahn wasn't afraid to take on a legitimate Yankees hero and the book is better for it.
As for The Pacific, I'm about half way thru and I don't want to spoil it, but it's definitely worth keeping an eye on the characters in the context of this discussion.
Seana
I think the book's a masterpiece and I dont bandy that word around lightly. Although the book I read last The Way of the World was too.
Peter
It certainly seems that they can be a little scared of making them real people.
Anon
Yeah I've always wondered about that. Who are the bigger heroes. The guys who were drafted into the Army and had to fight for three years in a black and white morally clear war. Or the guys who volunteered and have been fighting for 10 YEARS in some cases a much less popular war against a nebulous enemy.
I read a book recently about The Battle of Falluja and while it was no Iwo Jima (what is?) it was certainly scary house to house stuff. I taught THIS generation for nearly 8 years and I'm proud of their accomplishments on and off the battlefield.
Matt
Oh really?
Well it looks like I'm about to be hoist by my own petard then doesnt it?
Thats ok. Its not before time that they started looking at what was really going on.
TTRL is a terrific book.
Hmm. I took Matt's remarks to be more ambiguous. I guess now I really will have to watch.
Thanks for the post, now I want to read it as well as watch the film again.
Agree, that is a peculiar change to make - perhaps Malick is trying to draw a classical allusion somehow. (Ajax springs to mind, though he was a hothead, wasn't he?)Just shooting the breeze - I really should watch it again.
Seana
Well the Pacific starts tonight here and I'm definitely tuning, not least because the whole thing was filmed in Australia apparently.
Genevieve
I wonder if he did it just so Colonel Tall could have that line where he mentions the fact that he "read The Iliad at the Point, in Greek."
HEH. Ezackly.
I just watched episodes 1 and 2 on Channel 7 tonight. Nice that it wasn't censored in anyway, I appreciated that.
The Guadalcanal episode ended just as TTRL begins with the evacuation of the 1st Marine Division and its replacement by the US Army.
I thought the series was good so far. If they're only going to follow the 1st Marines though they wont get to the US Army or Navy's role in the Pacific at all.
This is just part and parcel of today's sanitized world, where no one shall be offended, and everyone gets a participation trophy. IMO that people like us, born in the 60's are the last of a "greatest generation" because we at least have a clue about values, hard work, respect, humility,etc..
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I watched the first one. It's funny, but Guadalcanal was one of my first Confessions of Ignorance posts. I really liked the way they set it up with the maps and the basic idea of what these poor guys were sent out to accomplish. I also liked seeing the vets at the beginning.
They chose a good actor to be the sensitive viewpoint guy in this one. He has an emotive face.
I ain't seen the show because TV is not widely in use yet (I am writing from the early fifties). But when I was in the service, there was a lot of racism. I remember when Sgt. 'Fatso' Judson called me a wop and tough little monkey. I told him only my friends call me wop. And we got into a knife fight. Eventually he was killed by Pruitt - that guy could blow such a beautiful horn...but was stubborn! Wouldn't box for the regiment no matter what. And Burt Lancaster was looked down upon because he was just a dogface, and the dogfaces weren't supposed to fraternize with the officers wives. But I caught the two 'em on the beach one time, and buddy they was doing more than fraternizing!
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Sean
I dont know about that. I think my father's generation were the last of the really tough guys. I couldnt do half the things they do.
And all my students who went off to join the Fourth Infantry Division in Ft Carson and serve tour after tour in Iraq were, again, much tougher than me.
Seana
I wonder why they chose to end the Guadalcanal chapter when they did? Afraid of stepping on Terrence Malick's or James Jones's toes?
Bright Wind
Well even though I have personally broken the Japanese naval code I have no idea what is going to happen, however, if I was around Schofield Barracks on Sunday December 7th, I'd put on my helmet.
I only saw the first one, so I don't know just where it's headed yet.
Also watching Treme, which is the new New Orleans one, and what's funny, is that one of the main stars, who was also on The Wire, was actually sitting a seat or so up from me on the plane back from New Orleans last year. I had no idea that he was filming another big show back then. Don't know how good the show is yet, though it definitely has the right feel, but I do now know that guy can play a mean trombone.
Adrian,
100% in agreement with your comments. Also, I have nothing but respect & gratitude for anyone who serves their country, and often wonder if I would be able to do it, if put in a similiar situation. Ironically, I went to a military college and decided not join the armed forces. Looking back, U Mass would have been a better choice ;). Peace.
THE THIN RED LINE is one of my all-time favourite books. I have jsut been blown away by Karl Marlantes MATTERHORN. Definitely worth checking out
J
I loved the film but it doesnt really do the book justice does it?
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