Showing posts with label Norman Whiteside. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Norman Whiteside. Show all posts
Monday, June 9, 2014
Who Is The Youngest Player To Have Played In The World Cup Finals?
This is a post from four years ago, with an update at the end, which shows you that FIFA cannot
be trusted even with simple things like facts...
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Northern Ireland don't hold too many World Cup records. We've qualified 3 times, lost more than we've won, never even made the semis and unfortunately we didn't qualify at all during the years when George Best was in his prime. One record we do hold is the youngest player ever to have played in the World Cup Finals. That young player was Norman Whiteside who at 17 years and 41 days played in Espana '82. I remember at the time the commentators stating that Whiteside had just broken Pele's record for the youngest player and that record still stands today. Or does it? Or was it even a record at all? I was glancing through Ben Schott's New York Times World Cup Miscellany, and under Youngest Player To Have Played in World Cup Finals he's got "Mario Mendez, Uruguay, 16 y 36d, 1954". Like any self respecting person with way too much time on his hands I immediately went to the FIFA website to confirm this information and lo it was confirmed. I then went to the Ask The Gaffer Website to ask the Gaffer about this astounding so called fact. Three people had been there ahead of me as the Gaffer explains:
Oddly three people have emailed me today with the same question. This is very intriguing. Like you, I've always known for a fact that Norman Whiteside is the youngest ever World Cup player, breaking Pele's record in the 1982 finals. Checking out this Mario Mendez impostor, however, throws up a mystery. On the official Fifa squad lists for the 1954 finals, there's no mention of Mendez (although curiously squad number 20 is missed out), but look at the match stats for the third place play-off match against Austria and there he is, bold as brass, wearing squad No.20. His player profile has him born on 11th May 1938, which sure enough would have made him 16 years, one month and 23 days old when Austria beat Uruguay 3-1 in Zurich (younger than Whiteside, who was 17 years and 41 days). However, the Fifa website is the only place I can find any reference to this. Every reference book I own and all other reputable websites have no mention of Mendez at all, and all list Whiteside as the record holder. I can only assume Fifa have committed a massive blunder or (less likely) that we've all been terribly misled. As for Edu of Brazil, he was in the Brazil squad in 1966, but didn't play a game until the 1974 finals, so Fifa are definitely wrong with that one!
The Gaffer, like Obi Wan Kenobi, is a wise old man of the desert and I trust his instincts but instincts are not facts. At Footbalistic their ref for Mario Mendez. has him playing for Uruguay in the 1962 finals when he would have been 24 years old. Meanwhile The Times newspaper recounts a story about Whiteside and Pele being on a plane together and Whiteside teasing Pele for only "being only the second youngest" now (when of course he should have teased him about letting Sylvester Stallone play nets in Escape to Victory.)
Despite what the Gaffer says there are many other websites out there that follow the FIFA party line. Who is right?
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June 10 2014 update.
FIFA's website has now been changed to show that Norman Whiteside is the youngest player to play in the world cup finals. Mario Mendez, if he ever existed in the first place, has been wiped from history.
be trusted even with simple things like facts...
....
Northern Ireland don't hold too many World Cup records. We've qualified 3 times, lost more than we've won, never even made the semis and unfortunately we didn't qualify at all during the years when George Best was in his prime. One record we do hold is the youngest player ever to have played in the World Cup Finals. That young player was Norman Whiteside who at 17 years and 41 days played in Espana '82. I remember at the time the commentators stating that Whiteside had just broken Pele's record for the youngest player and that record still stands today. Or does it? Or was it even a record at all? I was glancing through Ben Schott's New York Times World Cup Miscellany, and under Youngest Player To Have Played in World Cup Finals he's got "Mario Mendez, Uruguay, 16 y 36d, 1954". Like any self respecting person with way too much time on his hands I immediately went to the FIFA website to confirm this information and lo it was confirmed. I then went to the Ask The Gaffer Website to ask the Gaffer about this astounding so called fact. Three people had been there ahead of me as the Gaffer explains:
Oddly three people have emailed me today with the same question. This is very intriguing. Like you, I've always known for a fact that Norman Whiteside is the youngest ever World Cup player, breaking Pele's record in the 1982 finals. Checking out this Mario Mendez impostor, however, throws up a mystery. On the official Fifa squad lists for the 1954 finals, there's no mention of Mendez (although curiously squad number 20 is missed out), but look at the match stats for the third place play-off match against Austria and there he is, bold as brass, wearing squad No.20. His player profile has him born on 11th May 1938, which sure enough would have made him 16 years, one month and 23 days old when Austria beat Uruguay 3-1 in Zurich (younger than Whiteside, who was 17 years and 41 days). However, the Fifa website is the only place I can find any reference to this. Every reference book I own and all other reputable websites have no mention of Mendez at all, and all list Whiteside as the record holder. I can only assume Fifa have committed a massive blunder or (less likely) that we've all been terribly misled. As for Edu of Brazil, he was in the Brazil squad in 1966, but didn't play a game until the 1974 finals, so Fifa are definitely wrong with that one!
The Gaffer, like Obi Wan Kenobi, is a wise old man of the desert and I trust his instincts but instincts are not facts. At Footbalistic their ref for Mario Mendez. has him playing for Uruguay in the 1962 finals when he would have been 24 years old. Meanwhile The Times newspaper recounts a story about Whiteside and Pele being on a plane together and Whiteside teasing Pele for only "being only the second youngest" now (when of course he should have teased him about letting Sylvester Stallone play nets in Escape to Victory.)
Despite what the Gaffer says there are many other websites out there that follow the FIFA party line. Who is right?
...
June 10 2014 update.
FIFA's website has now been changed to show that Norman Whiteside is the youngest player to play in the world cup finals. Mario Mendez, if he ever existed in the first place, has been wiped from history.
Monday, June 14, 2010
FIFA IS WRONG
In the post before last I wondered whether Mario Mendez of Uruguay was really the youngest footballer to have played in the World Cup Finals as FIFA now claim. On the FIFA website and in places like The New York Times, Wikianswers etc. (which slavishly follow FIFA) thats what we are told. As I said in the previous post I think Norman Whiteside of Northern Ireland is in fact the youngest footballer to have played in the World Cup Finals and I suspect the FIFA information to be incorrect.
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After some more digging I found the website of Planet World Cup which gives you the entire squad of every team in every world cup. I have cut and pasted the Uruguay squads for 1954 and 1962:
1954
Coach: Juan Lopez
Apps Gls
Roque G. Maspoli 5
Victor R. Andrade 5
Luiz Cruz 5
William Martinez 5
José Santamaria 5
Nestor Carballo 2
Eusebio Tejera
Juan A. Schiaffino 5 2
Julio C. Abbadie 4 2
Javier Ambrois 4 1
Obdulio J. Varela 3 1
Juan E. Hohberg 2 3
Roberto Leopardi
Carlos Borges 5 4
Omar O. Miguez 3 3
Omar Mendez 1
Rafael Souto 1
Julio Perez
Luis Castro
Mirto Davoine
Julio Maceiras
Urbano Rivera
***
1962
Coach: Juan Lopez
Apps Gls
Roberto Sosa 3
Eliseo Alvarez 3
Emilio Alvarez 3
Mario Mendez 3
Horacio Troche 3
Nestor Goncalves 3
Pedro Rocha 2
Ronald Langon 1
José Sacia 3 2
Luis Cubilla 3 1
Domingo Perez 3
Ruben Cabrera 2 1
Julio Cortes 1
Mario Bergara
As you can see Mario Mendez did NOT play in the 1954 World Cup Finals. FIFA is wrong. Someone called Omar Mendez did play in those finals and I think this is how the sloppy stat compiler at FIFA made this mistake. As the Gaffer explained in my other post FIFA is also wrong about its #2 player. Norman Whiteside of Northern Ireland therefore is the youngest footballer to have played in a World Cup final in 1982 at 17 years and 41 days. I hope FIFA will correct this mistake soon. I wont hold my breath.
Funnily enough in the official FIFA report of the 1982 World Cup they say this:
Italy's other heroes included 40-year-old goalkeeping captain Dino Zoff and 18-year-old full-back Giuseppe Bergomi. Yet while Bergomi became the youngest Italian to appear on the world stage, Northern Ireland's Norman Whiteside surpassed Pele's record as the youngest player in the tournament's entire history – aged 17 years and 41 days. And his team provided one of the main shocks by beating Spain 1-0 to reach the second round.
This all makes me wonder what other disinformation FIFA has been churning out for decades without anyone noticing.
...
After some more digging I found the website of Planet World Cup which gives you the entire squad of every team in every world cup. I have cut and pasted the Uruguay squads for 1954 and 1962:
1954
Coach: Juan Lopez
Apps Gls
Roque G. Maspoli 5
Victor R. Andrade 5
Luiz Cruz 5
William Martinez 5
José Santamaria 5
Nestor Carballo 2
Eusebio Tejera
Juan A. Schiaffino 5 2
Julio C. Abbadie 4 2
Javier Ambrois 4 1
Obdulio J. Varela 3 1
Juan E. Hohberg 2 3
Roberto Leopardi
Carlos Borges 5 4
Omar O. Miguez 3 3
Omar Mendez 1
Rafael Souto 1
Julio Perez
Luis Castro
Mirto Davoine
Julio Maceiras
Urbano Rivera
***
1962
Coach: Juan Lopez
Apps Gls
Roberto Sosa 3
Eliseo Alvarez 3
Emilio Alvarez 3
Mario Mendez 3
Horacio Troche 3
Nestor Goncalves 3
Pedro Rocha 2
Ronald Langon 1
José Sacia 3 2
Luis Cubilla 3 1
Domingo Perez 3
Ruben Cabrera 2 1
Julio Cortes 1
Mario Bergara
As you can see Mario Mendez did NOT play in the 1954 World Cup Finals. FIFA is wrong. Someone called Omar Mendez did play in those finals and I think this is how the sloppy stat compiler at FIFA made this mistake. As the Gaffer explained in my other post FIFA is also wrong about its #2 player. Norman Whiteside of Northern Ireland therefore is the youngest footballer to have played in a World Cup final in 1982 at 17 years and 41 days. I hope FIFA will correct this mistake soon. I wont hold my breath.
Funnily enough in the official FIFA report of the 1982 World Cup they say this:
Italy's other heroes included 40-year-old goalkeeping captain Dino Zoff and 18-year-old full-back Giuseppe Bergomi. Yet while Bergomi became the youngest Italian to appear on the world stage, Northern Ireland's Norman Whiteside surpassed Pele's record as the youngest player in the tournament's entire history – aged 17 years and 41 days. And his team provided one of the main shocks by beating Spain 1-0 to reach the second round.
This all makes me wonder what other disinformation FIFA has been churning out for decades without anyone noticing.
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